"Star Trek" The Original Series

proton45 said:

mY bAd...It was (also) the plot of a "TNG" episode from the 6th season called The Chase (Star Trek: The Next Generation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Live long and Prosper"

Watch it here: Blinkx Video: Star Trek: The Next Generation [TNG] : The Chase

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Too much stuff to remember it all Proton.
I am just surprised and happy at the legs this topic has had so far.
Thanks for the link to episode 6.


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Junkers88A1 said:

but english is sure not the evolutions windtunnel ..if it was the whole world would have one language..

then what are we doing on this forum, from all four corners of the globe - communicating. We can do it, if we put our BRAINS to it - that marvellous computer I was talking about


and actually humans are a crappy race..we get diseases..we dont get old.. we loose our teeth and they dont replace and so on.. its just the brain that saved us..

Not quite, it's our immune system that saved us, the general human diseases that we contract keep it topped up - we have to earn the right to our planetary supremacy. By the way, we DO get old...


i would say sharks are much better ( even crocs ) as they have been around for millions of years..

very impressive creatures - and very specialised, they say that specialisation is the route to extinction. This is a fundamental key to human dominance - ADAPTABILITY OVER SPECIALISATION; we aren't as furry as a polar bear but we can, using our marvellous computers, create warm clothing. We can't swim like a shark, but we can devise undersea craft and breathing apparatus. We can't fly like birds, but we devised aeroplanes. I'd like to see a shark pull a sled to the North Pole or a polar bear pull an Immelmann or a bird chart the Mariannas Trench from its bathysphere.


so for me i like star wars better as they have different languages and different evelution solutions to different planets to me that is more realistic

in the absence of any ETs, define 'more realistic'


but again..we all have different opinions and thanks for that that is what make it all so fun..and also gives us series like star trek..star wars.. Star Gate and so on ( now star gate is a cool idea..as humans have travelled in those gates for ages.. so they are all humans ( msotly ) .. and that the odl goods ( like viking god and so on actually were humans comming to earth in those gates..now i love that concept ) but the new battle star galatic series sucks more that i have words for..

I agree with you on that point, sci-fi is supposed to be fun and I have no problem seeing squids flying space ships, but de-bunking the humanoid-template-everywhere is just as far-fetched - based on what evidence?

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as i said i could go with the theory in episode 6 as i had never heard of that and ok ! so i can live with the humanoid idea but i like aliens better ( my view on evelution and how it should be episode and all respect and i also agree that on some planets evelotuion might have taken the same turn( i dident say everywhere..may humanoids in star wars also but also more different species ) and you have many good points and seeing it from a bit different perspective than i do thanks for sharing it also makes me see it a bit different !! but it still dont explain why i sit on a A/C and land in belgium a couple og hrs later and i dont understand doodle of what they say so i think they should put more different languages into star trek..not just english..and some more strange creatures that would make it more fun to watch and for me ( perhaps not you but me ) more realistic.

and you have a very good point about evelotion and specilaisation..and yes..that might lead to totall vipeout of the species ( like pandas that only eat one kind of leafs ) and the possibility to adapt is the most important thing of all so i agree on that but i also see it from another point.. that soem otehr "aliens" are just as adaptable.. but are not humanoids..as the planet they live on is totally different than earth.. just a slight change ( higher gravity ) in gravity would make us in pretty bad shape.. our backs wouldent stand it..they cope hard enough as it si with the gravity we have and walking on two legs. acording to certain scientist we should still be walking on all four but we dident..we defied gravety and walked upright as it gave us a advatage over other species but oh well.. just my opinions. no offense to anybody !! and we all have different opinions thank god for that ( if there is a god.. hehe )

but we dont get old compared to other species like turtles.. redwood trees and so on ( now you will say that its a tree.. but still it gets 4-5000 years old..we get perhaps 70-100..turtles live to 2-300 years.. but we have earned ( fought ) for our place in this planet but still I think ( and thats my opinion and all respect for others opinion that we humans are a bit crappy compared to other species on this planet ) and sharks imunitysystem gives it a edge over every disease we know.. even aids.. so ours is not that good.. but we mate like rabbits so some are bound to survive as its so many of us..hehe

I get what you're saying about the universe speaking english...if I remember right, there was supposed to be a universal translator that actually was mentioned in the Enterprise series (Hoshi was working on it), and some of the species that Archer and his crew encountered, they couldn't communicate with at first, until Hoshi figured the syntax out and entered the info into the UT.

They also made a big deal about it in that one StarTrek (OS) movie where Kirk and McCoy were on trial for killing the Klingon ambassador. Huge clunky things, but then again I don't think the Klingons would have been too concerned about asthetics.

SciFi is, for all intents and purposes, the fantasty daydreams of the author in question. Same with fantasy, and any fictional works...but we're discussing SciFi right now. Its like the author's inner dreams, with his personality thrown in the mix. So imagine you're standing in a crowded room. Inevitably, there are people in there who, for no apparent reason and with absolutely no malice aforethought, will simply get on your nerves. You won't like them. Nothing personal, just differences in personalities. There are those you'll strike up a "working relationship" with. You don't mind being around them, but they're not high on your speed-dial list of folks to call when you want someone to hit the movies with. Then there are those who, after two minutes of talking to, you've obviously hit it off and are best friends for life. (and a whole scale of ranges in between, but you get the idea) SciFi authors are like that too. Robert Heinlen (however you spell it) is acclaimed as a master storyteller. I don't particularly care for his books, I find them to be rather shallow with cookie-cutter characters. I couldn't get into Dune either, dunno why, it just kinda grated on me when reading it. Star Wars was phenomenal (the originals, anyway), and any of the spinoff books by Timothy Zahn were excellent. I also liked alot of the MechWarrior stuff (even played the RPG with actual pen and paper for awhile), and will read ANYTHING put out by David Weber ("Honor Harrington" series) and Arthur C. Clarke.

Basically....there's a bit for everybody. I can see the point in the "humanoid super-race seeding the galaxy", but it makes alot of sense to me that different bi-pedal lifeforms would have evolved in different shapes ala Star Wars (with few exceptions, they're generally still humanoid, but with better costuming department). I've seen guys get really close to fistfighting when defending their favored SciFi series/author/movie....and just have to laugh. If ya don't care for it, and someone else does...so what?

Geeez, my braincell is tired....did I really type all that?

GrauGeist said:

I get what you're saying about the universe speaking english...if I remember right, there was supposed to be a universal translator that actually was mentioned in the Enterprise series (Hoshi was working on it), and some of the species that Archer and his crew encountered, they couldn't communicate with at first, until Hoshi figured the syntax out and entered the info into the UT.

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Their are actually several episodes in "TNG" where they specifically address issues of communication, or misunderstandings in communication...yes the "universal translator" is a high tech gizzmo that was invented for the sake of plot convenience. However it is how they explain the English dialogue.

One episode I like is "Darmok"...even with the "Universal translator" Picard still has trouble communicating. Darmok - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Loud as a whisper" is sort of interesting because of the 3 voices the negotiator speaks through...The "Warrior", the "Scholar" and the "woman", each one communicates a different emotion. Loud as a Whisper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem with 'humanoid super-race seeding the galaxy' as opposed to humanoid-template-everywhere is that it only explains where we came from, it does not explain where they came from.

Assuming we did crawl out of the sea x millions of years ago, we have evolved into something capable of high-technological achievement, even space exploration; evolutionary path or creationary design? If species on other planets reached the same level, how much different could they look? Less fingers, longer legs, larger heads, no hair, whatever but basically humanoid in appearance, it's difficult to imagine another physical form performing with equal success. The humanoid form is the most successful form nature and evolution can come up with. Or design and creation.

Of course, it is not difficult to merge the two ideas, once space-borne they could go on to seed the galaxy but they would indeed need to be a super-race, I think relativity would have a big say in pan-galactic travel and our warp-travelling (many times the speed of light) Star Trek characters have only covered 19% of the Alpha Quadrant in a little over 230 years of Starfleet existence.

i agree with you 100% raidalien, proton and Cloin 1 and now that i have learned more about teh backkground on star trek episodes it makes more sense to me
i just love Sci-fi ( but certain movies like you said.Dune and a few others dont get to me )
riddick is awsome cool..wish they would make more of those movies

thanks for sharing your input

I will stick some pics of my enterprise on the forum when its finished just for all you trekkies like me.BB i,m with 88 on the riddick films awesome.BB

Junkers88A1 said:

i agree with you 100% raidalien, proton and Cloin 1 and now that i have learned more about teh backkground on star trek episodes it makes more sense to me
i just love Sci-fi ( but certain movies like you said.Dune and a few others dont get to me )
riddick is awsome cool..wish they would make more of those movies

thanks for sharing your input

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Ya, I'm digg'in the sci-fi...sort of, in the spirit of the "Moon Anniversary" and all (its got me thinking).

I've never been a big "Dune" person myself...never quite got it. I always wondered if it was the way the movies where made (bad). I never read the books, but it seems to be a "myth" based saga (sort of like the "Lord of the rings"?), and I have trouble buying into alternative/mytho's type mystic stuff...I'm not really a "religion/mysticism" kind of guy (I was raised to go to church though, went most Sundays)...I'm more of a science thinker (maybe my Dads influence...he always explained stuff to me as a kid).


p.s. Please, I don't mean to get into a religion discussion...I respect both sides of the fence.
Please don't take offense of my mysticism/religion comment, I mean this in a literary sense.

looking forward to see that is that the original old enterprise ? i just to have that and a klingon when i was a kid. put my paintingskills was not so good back in those days so it ended up like a mess so it blew up with firecrakers hehe

and more Riddick chronicles please and NO more Ewoks or Jar Jar binks..allthough i am a huge star wars fan and love almost everything that has to do with sci-fi there are elements in certain movies like star wars and star trek i dont like.. and i guess we all hate ewoks..lol and i could also do without Data..allthough he is plausiable..i just dont like the charater.. hehe

sorry for mixing other Sci-fi elemets into your thread here.. i still haev the book from the first star trek movie..and i kinda like that book.

maybe one should start a generall sci-fi thread

proton45 said:

...I'm more of a science thinker...

... I don't mean to get into a religion discussion...

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Science and religion are on a collision course
After the event, they will nurse their banged heads and realise they were talking about the same thing all along

and no problem Proton i sure wont start any discussion about religion !i respecy both sides of tye fence also and also those that are above the fence and those underground.. we all must be allowed to think and belive what we want
and its all about Sci-Fi here ( and most star trek i guess..lol )
but Dune..now what was up with that ? a very strange movie.. somwhow it just sucked.. ( like the ewoks in Return of the Jedi..hehe )

Well, I'm a trekkie too. Maybe not a die-hard one, but I still enjoy a star trek episode every now and then. The Wrath of Khan has got to be my favorite star trek movie to date, although the new one that just came out is pretty close too.

Ferdinand Foch said:

Well, I'm a trekkie too. Maybe not a die-hard one, but I still enjoy a star trek episode every now and then. The Wrath of Khan has got to be my favorite star trek movie to date, although the new one that just came out is pretty close too.

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I haven't seen the new Star Trek yet Ferdinand.

Wrath of Khan is my favorite Star Trek movie.
I liked the last original cast movie Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country too.
Christopher Plummer as General Chang worked for me.


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While the new one is pretty darn good...The Wrath of Khan is still my number 1 favourite Trek Movie too!!!

Oh yeah guys, Wrath of Khan is the greatest. I like pretty much all of the six original movies, except for The Final Frontier (too much Shatner).

The Final Frontier was pretty lame.
The whole search for God theme didn't work at all.
And to have a half brother of Spock's just appear that late in the series was another one that didn't work for me.


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Yeah wc, the plot could have been really worked on some more.

From what I have read Shatner had a lot to do with the writing of that movie.
He also directed it. That movie could have very easily killed the franchise, IMO.


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