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If the next post isn't On Topic and devoid of political schmutz, this thread will be closed.
I think we should try and relate this material back to the the topic. I will try and kick it off
The obvious link is whether germany made adequate provisions for fuel self sufficiency. Well, Germany opted for the large scale hydogenation plants, but from mere prejudice I think, Hitler banned use of organic material, like potatoes, to distill alchohol which could have been used as a fuel additive. I dont know if that ban extended for the whole war, but in 1936 it certainly did. Hitler was apparently concerned that such diversion of food producing potential could have other more serious effects on food supply.
The Versailles Treaty may have left Germany with a couple (a lot?) of justifiable grievences but the way the NSDAP governement has acted upon cleary disqualifies any complaint.
I myself find this discussion most interesting.. but not for this thread or this site
I can only repeat what ive already posted. The obvious link is whether germany made adequate provisions for fuel self sufficiency. Well, Germany opted for the large scale hydogenation plants, but from mere prejudice I think, Hitler banned use of organic material, like potatoes, to distill alchohol which could have been used as a fuel additive. I dont know if that ban extended for the whole war, but in 1936 it certainly did. Hitler was apparently concerned that such diversion of food producing potential could have other more serious effects on food supply.
Unlike grains Potatoes do not required so much land and also have minimal phosphate requirements. However they were rather manpower intensive, which Germany and Europe lacked at this time and so this created its own problems.
.Synthesis of liquid fuels would appear to be the only viable solution. Investing in more plant, more bomb resistant, more dispersed and better camaflauged would appear to be the only alternative
Previous democratically elected German regimes were treated with total dismisall and contempt by the allies particularly the French. They were given no concessions and often left with personal insults.
Hitler was the only effective politician. His methods were effective and he had justice on his side.
Calling Hitler a politician to me is a bit like calling Al Capone an effective 'businessman'
When looking at alternative fuels it is a good idea to see what they can and cannot do. Alcohol has an octane rating of about 114. This is one reason it is so popular for auto racing. It has been used to "spike" regular gasoline to raise the octane rating but this comes at a cost. Alcohol has roughly 1/2 the BTUs per gallon as gasoline which means you need twice as much to get the same range. Fortunately for power production it needs roughly 1/2 the amount of air per gallon to burn so for the same quantity of air going into an engine you do get more power. It also burns a bit cooler than gasoline and it absorbs more heat as it vaporizes which also helps with engine cooling.
Problems come in with, not only the quantity needed, but with compatibility with seals and gaskets, vaporization pressure and temperatures and so on. Alcohol powered engines need help starting in cold weather, and cold is a relative term. In some areas of Brazil their alcohol powered cars have a small auxiliary tank of gasoline for starting.
I wonder if the Junkers steam turbine project was allowed to continue (from 1940) if it would have allowed multi-engined aircraft to use less vital fuels (like lower octane petrol, diesel) or even blends of crushed coal/petrol, freeing up the high octane fuels for more critical applications.
How well would a He 111 go with a pair of 3000hp steam turbine power plants?
It is very interesting how Parsifal agrees with moderators about the thread returning on topic, immediately AFTER presentig ,in lengthy posts ,his opinions about anything irrelevant.
Parsifal, the phosphate requirements of potato and wheat crops may be equal in terms of kilograms per hectare but as the potato produces 5-10 times the food calories per unit area the super-phosphate requirements are considerably less per mouth fed.
I am not making this up, phosphate shortages due to interruption of supplies from Nth Africa were a big cause of European famine.
The idea that Central European Harvesting (which includes Grain) was based on hand harvesting or horse harvesting is greatly overstated.
Those that grew grain almost certainly had a tractor to pull harvesting machines. A large number of smaller family farms in marginal land eg the hilly very cold parts of Eastern Germany where the owners were Artisans/Trades people that worked at their trade in winter but the farm in summer may have relied on horses or even hitching up the cow. About 3 years ago I was at an agricultural fair at the German Czech border and saw a parade of vintage tractors from the era from both countries.
When the requisitioning of Horses for use by the German army was increased the shortfall in agricultural draft animals was made up by use of motorized tractors. The effect was an overall increase in fuel consumption as Albert Speer noted. There was certainly enough tractors around to have this effect.
In the present era for fermented Alcohol fuels we have Brazil with its sugar, the US with its maize, the Australians with their grains while for biodiesel's we have Europeans with their rape seed and the Malaysians with their palm kernels.
I also can not see that the waste product would be so large that it would provide an aqueduct source of fermentable materials and in any case such things are perhaps best turned into animal fodder.
Nevertheless the Germans did have a considerable capacity to produce bio-ethanal, which they used to fuel the V2 missile. Perhaps they had prepared this industrial scale process in mind for use in combustion engines.
I hadn't heard of that. Puts me in mind of the rather wonderful Bristol Tramp project, of the '20s, which had a fuselage-mounted boiler and steam turbine, driving wing-mounted propellers through drive shafts. Apparently the boiler/turbine/condenser were not really troublesome; only the drive-train to the propellers proved a real problem.
It is very interesting how Parsifal agrees with moderators about the thread returning on topic, immediately AFTER presentig ,in lengthy posts ,his opinions about anything irrelevant.
Why not post something useful instead of attempting to control me or the mods. you wont succeed in either case.....
For the record, they are not my opinions, they are the findings of a military tribunal into who was responsible for what. there is some really useful reading there if you feel like broadening your horizons.