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He said he was not going to bother, so i did it for him. Just a flaming statement designed to get us going.......
You and i both know it was a great bomber, very versatile, and effective. But there is no way that it can be claimed as the best bomber bar none....even if you were to break bomberws down into more specialized categories.
Even as a medium or divebomber it is not the best....one of the best yest, but THE best....no
He said he was not going to bother, so i did it for him. Just a flaming statement designed to get us going.......
You and i both know it was a great bomber, very versatile, and effective. But there is no way that it can be claimed as the best bomber bar none....even if you were to break bomberws down into more specialized categories.
Even as a medium or divebomber it is not the best....one of the best yest, but THE best....no
Wasn't the B-29 maybe too big for the ETO? How long does it take a fully loaded B-29/Lancaster to reach their maximum height, take it that the B-29 would have to circle instead for climbing over mainland Europe and Luftwaffe, or am I wrong?
Well, since it's all seem bugged down around the Lancaster and the B-29, I was wondering....
1. How many missions did each type fly?
2. What's tonnage dropped by each type?
3. What's the percentage in accuracy for each type?
4. Survivability for each type?
5. Mission abort percentage for each type?
6. Adaptability for each type and different missions?
7. Ease of maintenance for each type?
Can probably think of a few more.....
How did the B-29 compare to the Lancaster and flying night missions?
Criteria B-17 Lancaster B-29
Crew (normal) 10 7 11
Maximum Internal Bomb Load 9,600lb 14,000lb 20,000lb
Maximum Internal Bomb size 2,000lb 12,000lb ???
Defensive armamemnt 13 X 0.50mg 8 x 0.303mg 10 x 0.50mg
1 x 20mm
Range 2,000mi 3,000mi 3,250mi
Maximum Speed 287mph 280mph 357mph
Service Ceiling 35,600ft 23,500ft 33,600ft
Rate of Climb 900ft/min ??? 900ft/min
Cost US$238,329 £45-50,000 US$639,188
Also, while the Lancaster could carry the Tallboy comfortably in terms of weight it could not carry them without modification, and the Grand Slam required even more modification. It could, however, carry the 12,000lb HC bomb internally without mods. The B-29 could not carry the Tallboy internally, nor the Grand Slam.
We are back to comparing the war record. Due to numbers built and time served this can lead to some rather absurd conclusions. Like comparing the Blenheim to the A-26.
1. How many missions flown by each during WW II?
2. what was the tonnage dropped by each in WW II?
3. Accuracy? measured how?
4. Survivabilty? Ok the A-26 gets this one
5. Mission abort????
6 Adaptability Paragraphs on this one,
7. Ease of maintenance?? Blenheim wins hands down. Two 9 cylinder engines vs two 18 cylinder engines put it far ahead to begin with
In three out of seven catagories the Blenheim is way ahead. Does this mean that the Blenheim is a better light bomber than the A-26? NO WAY.
It may have done more to help win the war with thousands built vs hundreds (during the war) and serving for years vs months. I don't think that means it was a better or more capable aircraft.
I know that these are not the bombers under discussion at the moment, just pointing out that a methodology that relies too heavily on war record can give some strange results.
As William Green put it:
"Many aeroplanes of the Second World War became famous; few were truly great. Greatness is a quality that cannot be instilled in an aircraft on the drawing board or the assembly line. A great aircraft must have that touch of genius which transcends the good, and it must have luck - the luck to be in the right place at the right time. It must have flying qualities above the average; reliability, ruggedness and fighting ability, and, in the final analysis, it needs the skilled touch of crews to whom it has endeared itself. All these things the Lancaster had in good measure."
Kinda hit the nail on the head Sire, doesn't it?
Much obliged young man, pour yourself a pint or a dram of your choice...
All in all, I think the British made their best choice after the war was ove in keeping the Lancasterr, and so did the USA in keeping the B-29. We were still flying B-29's well into the 1960's, about as long as the faithful Lancs served England and went on serving in the guise of Shackletons into the 1970's. People may SAY the Shacks weren't Lancs, but they were close relatives if not, and also did great service. Neither type need be embarassed of the war record and both were good planes for what they were asked to do at the time. I think the Lancaster was better on a one-on-one basis, but there were a LOT of Liberators in the theater. Was a Lancaster better than two Liberators? Maybe, but I don't think by a large margin. And we had both Lancasters and two Liberatos per Lancaster available. Life was good for a commander who had those options!