"The case for the P-47 Thunderbolt being the greatest fighter of the Second World War "

[pbehn]

I am just wondering is it probable that he is 100% wrong 100% of the time, or is he capable, sometimes, of making mistakes, and being wrong only sometimes, and getting it right most times.

Logic, based on his extremely high level of positive comments, suggests that he gets it right most of the time.

This is Youtube 3 million subscribers and 4.5 million views on the subject of the earth being flat.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4l9Y5OHqpk

 

[at ease]

The prevalence of positive to negative comments can also be determined by the level of knowledge of the commenter
who has watched the video. It is no true indication of validity at all.


This is a very telling point. If you are going to make what is supposed to be a well researched video then no such claim would be made.
It shows a lack of research on the subject which does in fact render the whole thing suspect.

Just out of interest, how many military aviation videos have you produced?

 

[SaparotRob]

This is Youtube 3 million subscribers and 4.5 million views on the subject of the earth being flat.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4l9Y5OHqpk

And his writers got a bunch of stuff wrong about the Battle of Midway too.

 

[Deleted member 68059]

I am just wondering is it probable that he is 100% wrong 100% of the time, or is he capable, sometimes, of making mistakes, and being wrong only sometimes, and getting it right most times.

Could you please link to the video in which you found the error?

Logic, based on his extremely high level of positive comments, suggests that he gets it right most of the time.

After all, he does have 113,000 subscribers, most who would have at least some idea about aviation and the associated engineering.

That, to me, would suggest a reasonable level of competency.

And if he didn't, I think he might not be employed in the capacity that he is.

In a video which was ONLY ABOUT the swirl throttle, its a pretty staggering howler, and sadly, hardly unique.

It would by equivalent be a bit like saying no P-47 had a turbocharger, in a video ABOUT P-47`s.

"IL2 Sturmovik Secret Throttle, extra 100 horsepower!"


View: https://youtu.be/ms9qkkvMTpA

NB, the comment below pointing this out is not mine.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Just out of interest, how may military aviation videos have you produced?

Is the number of videos produced correlated to ones knowledge?

Take Bill on this forum for example. He is probably one of the leading P-51 and USAAF in Europe experts in the field. He is an accomplished and published author as well. He is a former aeronautical engineer, son of an accomplished USAAF P-51 pilot with combat experience in the ETO, and a pilot himself (and former owner of a P-51 (his dad owned it I believe). (Correct me if I am wrong on any of this Bill, drgondog . If I am wrong I humbly correct myself).

With all of that experience and knowledge he has, I'm not sure he has produced any Youtube videos. Does that make him less of a subject matter expert than your Greg?

Anyhow, anyone can produce a youtube video if they really want to. It does not mean they know a damn thing. Nor does the number of subscribers. Why? Because the majority of the prescribers couldn't tell you the difference between a P-51 and a P-40, let alone anything about their technical specifications. They subscribe because the video is cool or they are seeking knowledge (which is good), but they are likely not subject matter experts themselves.

So lets hear it, how many videos have you produced?

Note: I don't have a dog in this fight, and I will not discredit Greg or his videos. I have not watched them, so I have no opinion.

 

[at ease]

Is the number of videos produced correlated to ones knowledge?

Take Bill on this forum for example. He is probably one of the leading P-51 and USAAF in Europe experts in the field. He is an accomplished and published author as well. He is a former aeronautical engineer, son of an accomplished USAAF P-51 pilot with combat experience in the ETO, and a pilot himself (and former owner of a P-51 (his dad owned it I believe). (Correct me if I am wrong on any of this Bill, drgondog . If I am wrong I humbly correct myself).

With all of that experience and knowledge he has, I'm not sure he has produced any Youtube videos. Does that make him less of a subject matter expert than your Greg?

Anyhow, anyone can produce a youtube video if they really want to. It does not mean they know a damn thing. Nor does the number of subscribers. Why? Because the majority of the prescribers couldn't tell you the difference between a P-51 and a P-40, let alone anything about their technical specifications. They subscribe because the video is cool or they are seeking knowledge (which is good), but they are likely not subject matter experts themselves.

So lets hear it, how many videos have you produced?

Note: I don't have a dog in this fight, and I will not discredit Greg or his videos. I have not watched them, so I have no opinion.

On the sections in bold, I believe that you are quite wrong.

Many of these videos are significantly maths based.

It takes me back a bit to when I was doing my PPL.

Most viewers eyes would glaze over very quickly, and there would be very few repeat viewers.

Instead, tens of thousands come back for more.

The stupid ones are watching TikTok or Survivor or America's Got Talent.

The propeller heads/gear heads/petrol heads are watching Greg.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

On the sections in bold, I believe that you are quite wrong.

Many of these videos are significantly maths based.

Most viewers eyes would glaze over very quickly, and there would be very few repeat viewers.

Instead, tens of thousands come back for more.

The stupid ones are watching TikTok or Survivor or America's Got Talent.

The propeller heads are watching Greg.

Ok, you believe I am wrong. So what? That's your opinion. No different than your belief in Greg's videos and knowledge. Its an opinion, not based on facts.

So, how many videos have you produced since that appears to be a metric you are holding to?

 

[at ease]

Ok, you believe I am wrong. So what? That's your opinion. No different than your belief in Greg's videos and knowledge. Its an opinion, not based on facts.

So, how many videos have you produced since that appears to be a metric you are holding to?

I haven't produced any, and never will.

I don't have any aspirations in that area.

 

[Just Schmidt]

Just out of interest, how many military aviation videos have you produced?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6adNebaPP8

Here's one from a guy who, according to your method of evaluation, with 538k subscribers and 286 videoes, is twise as productive and neasrly five times as brilliant as Greg. No need to thank me, only glad to point you toewards (an even greater) god.

Luckily I haven't watched very many of them (not being worthy, you see), but those I have are invariably let downs. Must be something wrong with my comprehension, too.

It is randomely chosen, but the title alone says it all. On the other hand, with those numbers he must be right?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I haven't produced any, and never will.

I don't have any aspirations in that area.

Ok then, why are you holding that metric so high over others to defend your stance?

I ask because you are using it as a defense against several accomplished aviation historians and authors who have done combined decades of research.

 

[Clayton Magnet]

Just out of interest, how many military aviation videos have you produced?

I personally quite enjoy the "Greg" video series, and generally find them to be well done and entertaining/informative.
However, I have also found, via the wealth of knowledge on this forum, that the videos sometimes contain blatant errors that often went completely unnoticed by me. Or a tendency to bias direct comparisons in favor of his personal favorites.
Moral of my story, I trust the research of the published historians and experts on this forum, over the word of cargo pilot that makes YouTube videos in his downtime.

 

[at ease]

I personally quite enjoy the "Greg" video series, and generally find them to be well done and entertaining/informative.
However, I have also found, via the wealth of knowledge on this forum, that the videos sometimes contain blatant errors that often went completely unnoticed by me. Or a tendency to bias direct comparisons in favor of his personal favorites.
Moral of my story, I trust the research of the published historians and experts on this forum, over the word of cargo pilot that makes YouTube videos in his downtime.

I have seen very little direct criticism of any parts of his videos.

Each one may run for up to an hour, and cover a lot of material, but so far I am finding someone picking on one sentence or one graph.

It is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I have not watched even the majority of his output yet, but compared to most other offerings he seems to do a better job overall.

 

[at ease]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6adNebaPP8

Here's one from a guy who, according to your method of evaluation, with 538k subscribers and 286 videoes, is twise as productive and neasrly five times as brilliant as Greg. No need to thank me, only glad to point you toewards (an even greater) god.

Luckily I haven't watched very many of them (not being worthy, you see), but those I have are invariably let downs. Must be something wrong with my comprehension, too.

It is randomely chosen, but the title alone says it all. On the other hand, with those numbers he must be right?

Dark Skies?

I have never even heard or seen that before you brought it to my attention.

I don't know if I will have time to watch it, so I don't know if I will be able to comment.

The brief snippet that I just watched was just repeats of footage I have already seen.

At least with Gregs, most of the material is new to me.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Dark Skies?

I have never even heard or seen that before you brought it to my attention.

I don't know if I will have time to watch it, so I don't know if I will be able to comment.

But he has 500K+ in subscribers!

 

[at ease]

But he has 500K+ in subscribers!

With all of that experience and knowledge he has, I'm not sure he has produced any Youtube videos. Does that make him less of a subject matter expert than your Greg?

Anyhow, anyone can produce a youtube video if they really want to. It does not mean they know a damn thing. Nor does the number of subscribers. Why? Because the majority of the prescribers couldn't tell you the difference between a P-51 and a P-40, let alone anything about their technical specifications. They subscribe because the video is cool or they are seeking knowledge (which is good), but they are likely not subject matter experts themselves.

I don't think too many people will be watching this video because it is "cool".

Messerschmitt Me 262 and P-80 Thrust, Drag, and Horsepower(the calculation of)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv83yBebiIU&t=18s

The title alone would put most people off this one, unless they took quite a distinct interest in the subject matter, like I do.

 

[pbehn]

I have seen very little direct criticism of any parts of his videos.

Each one may run for up to an hour, and cover a lot of material, but so far I am finding someone picking on one sentence or one graph.

It is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I have not watched even the majority of his output yet, but compared to most other offerings he seems to do a better job overall.

There have been many comments here, you just dont accept them. From the start in his video No 6 about range deceit and treachery he describes a document by Hap Arnold as a "decree" which "prohibits the use of drop tanks". He then mentions the range of a P-47 in mid 1944 as if that is relevant and then says no one believed an escort fighter could work in 1942, well they were right, the P-47 wasnt in service, the Spitfire never could reach Germany and the P-38 wasnt being made in anything like the numbers needed and was wanted by everyone, Greg neatly side steps that issue That is the start of the video, chanting "bomber mafia" like a religious mantra he carries on with the same smoke and mirrors which is obviously wrong and malicious but gets clicks on Youtube. No one who understands the English language would read Hap Arnolds statement of May 1939 as a prohibition and few would call it a decree but the point will be argued to the end of time because the personal reputation of the man has to be destroyed at the start, it is part of the art of story telling. It was the first video of his I watched and will be the last.

 

[Clayton Magnet]

I don't think too many people will be watching this video because it is "cool".

That is exactly why I watched that video.
It has been a few years, but I assume the video is well done and informative. Ill watch it again if I get the chance.
However, I am immediately suspicious as to why he is using the P-80 as a contrast to the Me 262. The two aircraft are not close contemporaries, as their first flights were separated by 2 years.

 

[at ease]

That is exactly why I watched that video.
It has been a few years, but I assume the video is well done and informative. Ill watch it again if I get the chance.
However, I am immediately suspicious as to why he is using the P-80 as a contrast to the Me 262. The two aircraft are not close contemporaries, as their first flights were separated by 2 years.

I believe that he uses this comparison, as the performance of the two are reasonably close.

A contemporary Meteor was somewhat behind both.

There was really not much else at the time, except for the He162, documentation for which might have been somewhat problematic.

 

[Clayton Magnet]

I believe that he uses this comparison, as the performance of the two are reasonably close.

A contemporary Meteor was somewhat behind both.

There was really not much else at the time, except for the He162, documentation for which might have been somewhat problematic.

The P-59, which is conveniently forgotten or dismissed.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I don't think too many people will be watching this video because it is "cool".




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv83yBebiIU&t=18s

The title alone would put most people off this one, unless they took quite a distinct interest in the subject matter, like I do.

You would be surprised, people are fascinated with flight.