Matt308
Glock Perfection
YES WE CAN!!! BWAHHHAAAAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAAA!
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
Uhm... I'm sorry. Yes sir we can. Well at least for the most part. You must pass a federal gov't background check and pseudo-register the firearm in question. Then individual states have their own laws. Example Kalifornia says that you can only have a 10rd mag, does not allow "sniper" rifle calibers and other such nonsensical legistlation. But for the most part, if you keep your nose clean and stay out of jail, you can virtually own most any small arms. Hollywood type stuff like full auto rifles/pistols require a MUCH more extensive background check and a much larger "tax" for each item owned.
Here in the US silencers are considered verboten without the above "sin" taxes assigned, wherein the EU they are encouraged to be polite to your neighbors. Go figure.
I would love to own a Thompson M1A1 .45cal SMG with a short barrel. But here in the states it must have at least a 16in barrel to avoid the above sin tax. Blasphemy! I don't want one that bad. Well I do, but I have limited WAF funds and gun safe space.
Here in the US silencers are considered verboten without the above "sin" taxes assigned, wherein the EU they are encouraged to be polite to your neighbors. Go figure.
I would love to own a Thompson M1A1 .45cal SMG with a short barrel. But here in the states it must have at least a 16in barrel to avoid the above sin tax. Blasphemy! I don't want one that bad. Well I do, but I have limited WAF funds and gun safe space.
mikewint
Captain
Readie, Matt said it all. Illinois and Washington D.C. have the strictest gun control laws in the USA. My old home state Illinois requires every gun owner to have a F.O.I.D. (Firearm Owner's IDentification) card. You must have a valid card to buy any gun or ammunition in the state. Many states are now selling hand guns only to residents of the state. Arkansas used to sell to any resident of any stat that bordered on Arkansas but that has now changed. To buy a hand gun in Arknsas from a dealer at a gun show you must have a valid Arkansas drivers license. If the dealer holds an FFL (Federal Firearm License) then he/she must do a backround check and the buyer must fill out an application form. There are no controls on one person selling to another. As far as silencers and/or fully automatic firearms you must pay a $200 transfer fee and the sheriff of your county must sign off on it. If the sheriff refuses then (in Arkansas) the gun/silencer can be held by a legal trust and you get to use it.
Needless to say there are many ways to make silencers and on the old AR-15s a bit of work with a file easily converts to full auto, and a hacksaw can make a barrel any length. All highly illegal to say the least
Needless to say there are many ways to make silencers and on the old AR-15s a bit of work with a file easily converts to full auto, and a hacksaw can make a barrel any length. All highly illegal to say the least
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bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
short barrels..were only a $5.00 tax...at least back when i was selling them. they were considered NFA ( national firearms act ) weapons...under the heading of "any other weapon". you still had to jump through all the same hoops....chief law enforcement officer ( usually the sheriff ) had to sign off with his blessings, you had to be fingerprinted ( 2 separate cards ), 2 pictures for the application, and that all went to the FBI for a background check. but were machineguns and silencers were a $200. transfer tax each...converting something to a short barrel...( under 16" ) was only $5. i was always tempted to make a sawed off double barrelled shotgun.
a company back in the 80s made a snap on adapter you put on your barrel that you could screw a 2 liter bottle on. they say it gives you almost the same results as a silencer...for 1 round. i never tried it out. early AR 15s were easy to convert...there was a trick using a cut up credit card that held back the disconnect. later SWD in atlanta made a steel version of these "lightening links" and sold them as machineguns. but they would only work on 1st generation ARs. they changed the inside of the lower reciever so you supposedly couldnt convert them.
a company back in the 80s made a snap on adapter you put on your barrel that you could screw a 2 liter bottle on. they say it gives you almost the same results as a silencer...for 1 round. i never tried it out. early AR 15s were easy to convert...there was a trick using a cut up credit card that held back the disconnect. later SWD in atlanta made a steel version of these "lightening links" and sold them as machineguns. but they would only work on 1st generation ARs. they changed the inside of the lower reciever so you supposedly couldnt convert them.
mikewint
Captain
Hi Bobby, hoped you'd join in. Look up Solvent Trap. Dontcha just love human ingenuity!! Any competent gunsmith can convert to full auto though it requires a bit of skilled machining. Full auto is great as long as Uncle Sam supplies the ammo. 1000 rounds of .223 goes for $520 at the last gun show.
Barrel length (16in) is only for rifles/shotguns. Pistols can hav barrels of any length: Sold as PISTOLES - The Rossi Ranch Hand, Kimbers Excel-30, and Matt's favorite Auto Ordnance Thompson pistol with barrels from 12 - 10in
Barrel length (16in) is only for rifles/shotguns. Pistols can hav barrels of any length: Sold as PISTOLES - The Rossi Ranch Hand, Kimbers Excel-30, and Matt's favorite Auto Ordnance Thompson pistol with barrels from 12 - 10in
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
Pistol-rifles don't interest me. I do love me an M1A1 Thompson, but I have to have a stock and short barrel. I have come close many a times to making that purchase. I need to buy another safe first though. That is what motivates me to kill the sale. No room.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
full auto isnt for the thrifty that's for sure. you can burn up a couple hundred dollars in minutes....especially with the price of ammo these days. i havent shot mine in years. replacing the ammo i have would cost a small fortune. will be interesting to see what happens after we bug out of all these places and there is a SURPLUS!. yeah pistols can be any length basically...BUT you cannot put a shoulder stock on it. it is how the gun was originally manufactured when the serial number was registered. if it was a rifle then to take the barrel below 16.1" you would have to go the NFA paperwork route. am wondering how they got away with lever action in the first pic. they ( ATF ) usually likes less of a stock on that that. sweet little piece though.
Never actually owned a real gun, at least not one that goes bang and does some damage umpteen hundred yards away.
This is my current babe, she's a .177 Relum air rifle of unknown age ( and yup, I need to find some-one who can remove the surface corrosion and re-blue the barrel at a reasonable price) that I've owned for the past 30 odd years. I left her with my brother in-law when I moved to Cyprus in 2000 for three years and when I came back, she was rusty and the pillock had left her 'cocked' for who knows how long.
This last weekend, at a local aerojumble, I scored a cooling barrel for a .50 cal. I can now start to make a mock-up of the type of .50 used in the fighters to go with my '51
And then I thought...what the h*ll, lets just add the two together...should at least scare the local rabbits a bit more
This is my current babe, she's a .177 Relum air rifle of unknown age ( and yup, I need to find some-one who can remove the surface corrosion and re-blue the barrel at a reasonable price) that I've owned for the past 30 odd years. I left her with my brother in-law when I moved to Cyprus in 2000 for three years and when I came back, she was rusty and the pillock had left her 'cocked' for who knows how long.
This last weekend, at a local aerojumble, I scored a cooling barrel for a .50 cal. I can now start to make a mock-up of the type of .50 used in the fighters to go with my '51
And then I thought...what the h*ll, lets just add the two together...should at least scare the local rabbits a bit more
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Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
haha...don't bet on that. There are other ways to settle disputes that involve almost as much damage as a bullet (s)....not as fatal granted but, points need to made sometimes.
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
Thanks Mike. We have a consignment of Glock pistols floating about that no one seems to know anything about....slightly worrying.
The terrorists here do a fair job with diesel fertiliser and a detonater. But, that is another subject.
Like most chaps I would like to own a classic gun but, the laws here make it virtually impossible.
Maybe with out beer fuelled culture its not such a bad idea eh.
Cheers
John
mikewint
Captain
Bobby, can't answer except several companies make them, Henry's version is the Mare's leg pistol in .45 Colt, .357 Mag, or .44 Mag all have 10.5 in barrels and like any good pistol a holster. Every one at the show said simply, "It's a pistol"
Gary - Do it your self. You can get wet/dry sandpaper in various grades. Use a coarse like 800 then work your way up 1200 or higher. If you have a bench grinder get a polishing wheel and various polishing compounds again, work your way up to the finest grades. Gun blue can be found at any gun shop. Make sure the metal is CLEAN and apply. Take your time and it will look 1000% better.
Matt - that's a 10.5 in barrel. Look at the end. That is where a stock can be attached just like on the full sized Thompsons
Gary - Do it your self. You can get wet/dry sandpaper in various grades. Use a coarse like 800 then work your way up 1200 or higher. If you have a bench grinder get a polishing wheel and various polishing compounds again, work your way up to the finest grades. Gun blue can be found at any gun shop. Make sure the metal is CLEAN and apply. Take your time and it will look 1000% better.
Matt - that's a 10.5 in barrel. Look at the end. That is where a stock can be attached just like on the full sized Thompsons
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
Yeah but I follow the law. Because The Eye never sleeps. Don't forget that. I assure you that Readie's post has had an official perusal.
bobbysocks
Chief Master Sergeant
hmmm too many catch words in the same message.....got to watch that...lol.
Matt308
Glock Perfection
mikewint
Captain
I expect, George Orwell was just 30 years early
Matt308
Glock Perfection
Call me paranoid (as my own IT people keep key logger information on me and my fellow workers), but don't think for a second that a gov't supercomputer is not reading all posts and monitoring all voice conversations. I've been in your typical local communication provider switch bunker and have first hand knowledge of how easy each individual call is able to be intercepted. Just wait until we go voice-over-IP (VoIP) as the norm. We are almost there gents. Almost there...
mikewint
Captain
Matt, don't think you are overly paranoid but Big Brother's ability to monitor every communication is still limited. High speed computers look for keywords/phrases and then refer to human operators. The main concern is to attract Big Brother's attention in the first place. Now if this were a political site... Still the way in which 90% use their open broadcast cell phones is amazing. Reminds me of a tent campground where people get behind a 1/16 in of canvas and behave as if it were a 2X4 wall. Fairly simple Radio Shack scanners easily pick up cell phone or home wireless phone conversations.
Posted these guns on another thread but thought I'd put then here too. These are my concealed-carry guns: Ruger's LC9-LM 9mm 7 round auto with integrated red laser. The clip has a replaceable bottomwhich then gives a nice extension for the little finger.
For real concealment: Cobra's 9mm two-shot Derringer. Barrels are automatically selected. Trigger pull was very hard o I had work done on it to cut the pull in half. Kicks like a mule but deadly with in 10-12ft
Posted these guns on another thread but thought I'd put then here too. These are my concealed-carry guns: Ruger's LC9-LM 9mm 7 round auto with integrated red laser. The clip has a replaceable bottomwhich then gives a nice extension for the little finger.
For real concealment: Cobra's 9mm two-shot Derringer. Barrels are automatically selected. Trigger pull was very hard o I had work done on it to cut the pull in half. Kicks like a mule but deadly with in 10-12ft
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
I've always liked those derringers. I used to think that they would be too punishing due to their inherent light weight. They aren't as light as they look, especially in larger calibers. I'll stick to my deep concealment Colt Mustang in .380ACP. Disappears in a pocket or ankle holster really well.
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Matt308
Glock Perfection
I have one I bought in the late 1990's. Of all the semi-handguns I own, that Beretta has the slickest action by far. Just slightly too big for my hands though to get a proper trigger position in DAO. Good on you Adler! Nice one!! Get extra mags if you can find them.
