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Probable Cause/Cause:
1. Failure of the PIC to achieve proper altitude and speed during noise abatement procedures.
2. Leading edge slat retraction 60 knots below minimum speed.
3. Failure to monitor speed error, and leading edge slat lever movement.
Tons of questions. Were there legible CVR/FDR tapes? Did the PF realize the slats were in? Why weren't they re-extended? Even with trim set too nose high, both crew members together should have been able to overcome it. Crew coordination?? Full power?? Is everybody so afraid of Captain Bligh they'll go to their deaths rather than take action?? The cause of this accident wasn't "failure to gain altitude" or "premature slat retraction", it was ACRMD; Agravated Crew Resource Management Deficiency.at an airspeed of 162 knots IAS, the co-pilot not on the controls mistakenly retracted the leading edge slats, which put the aircraft near stall speed. Two seconds later the stick shaker stall warning/recovery operated. This caused the auto-pilot to automatically disengage, and the nose to pitch down, increasing airspeed. The elevator trim however stayed at the same setting as they were with the auto-pilot engaged, which was with the leading edge slats extended.
Tons of questions. Were there legible CVR/FDR tapes? Did the PF realize the slats were in? Why weren't they re-extended? Even with trim set too nose high, both crew members together should have been able to overcome it. Crew coordination?? Full power?? Is everybody so afraid of Captain Bligh they'll go to their deaths rather than take action?? The cause of this accident wasn't "failure to gain altitude" or "premature slat retraction", it was ACRMD; Agravated Crew Resource Management Deficiency.
Cheers,
Wes
Yup, shoulda looked before I posted.Also notice my post above yours, where I states that today it would be called "lack of CRM" or improper use of CRM.
Great and scary stuff. The series "Mayday" was one of my favourite shows when I used to watch TV
You can't call this an error. He didn't have a TCAS readout. That came later. He was busy dealing with a communications issue and was unaware that his conflict alarm system was inop, so became aware of the conflict at the last second without time to assess the situation. He had the odds stacked against him, which explains what happened, but doesn't absolve him of responsibility for the outcome. Karma caught up with him in the end.Controller Error: He gave orders to the Tu-154 to descend when the TCAS told them to climb,
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Good pointYou can't call this an error.
Frankly, I place the blame on the fact that one guy was doing a job two or three should have been doing.He had the odds stacked against him, which explains what happened, but doesn't absolve him of responsibility for the outcome.
I'm not sure if I constitute vigilante justice as karmaKarma caught up with him in the end.