Florence
Senior Airman
Treasure hunter claims $3 billion haul on war wreck
Treasure hunter claims $3 billion haul on war wreck
Treasure hunter claims $3 billion haul on war wreck
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A4K
Brigadier General
Interesting find mate, thanks for posting!
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Florence
Senior Airman
Will be interesting to see what they find. Titanium or tractors. No mention of a it being a 'war grave' as such. Will have to do a bit of googling.
Lucky bugger. But obviously one who deserves credit for his foresight and effort.
Lucky bugger. But obviously one who deserves credit for his foresight and effort.
A4K
Brigadier General
Not to mention the risk of forking out a fortune to find nothing but rusting rifles and ammo...
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
This was on the Telly last night with the eccentric finder being interviewed.
Who has the lawfull claim after all these years?
John
Who has the lawfull claim after all these years?
John
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Regarding maritime laws, how long after the sinking does the owner have to reclaim the ship/cargo before it becomes salvageable?
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
The USSR doesn't exist anymore so 'they' cannot claim. Looks to me like its finders keepers ( after tax of course)
John
Thats what gets me RA underneath that article is another were another treasure hunter is being ordered to return 594,000 gold and silver coins to Spain from a Galleon wreck!!Look if these damn governments were that interested in these old wrecks they would send out crews to find them and not wait for Joe Smoe to spend a forture and take it from him.I just do not buy into this crap these governments are doing pertaining to sunken vessels "you want it you go get it".
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Agreed, Javlin. I'm wanting to say that there's something like a statue of limitations (or expiration date, so to speak) on salvage rights, whether in international waters or not. These governments that are going after the salvage operations to return "their" property are just wanting to grab a quick boost to their economy (most of which will probably end up in some politician's off-shore bank account or "election fund"). If the gov't did not foot the bill to have the cargoes salvaged, they can claim no part in what's recovered, just as I can't claim a portion of the next winning lotto ticket if I didn't chip in to buy the winning ticket. I own no share in the efforts, therefore I own no share in the rewards.
And if you remember the HMS Edinburgh it was a government sanctioned salvage so it pulled in the loot as for the others they should get lost.
On this voyage, Edinburgh carryied a 4.5-long-ton (4,570 kg) consignment of gold bullion, intended as partial payment for Allied supplies to the USSR. The 465 gold ingots, carried in 93 wooden boxes, were in the armoured bomb-rooms on the starboard side, near the first torpedo's impact point. At the time, the estimated worth of the bullion was about £1.5 million sterling.
In 1954, the British government offered the salvage rights to the Edinburgh to Risdon Beazley Ltd., a British salvage company. But the project was put on hold, due to strained political relations with the Soviet Union. In 1957, the wreck was designated as a war grave, which complicated any salvage attempts still further.
In the late 1970s, interest in the Edinburgh was reawakened, and the British government became increasingly anxious to recover the gold. This was not only because of its value, but also because there was growing fear that the wreck might be looted by unscrupulous salvagers, or salvaged by the Soviet Union, the coast of which was nearby.
In the early 1980s, seasoned diver Keith Jessop won the salvage rights to Edinburgh for his company Jessop Marine. Jessop's methods, using complex cutting machinery, were deemed more appropriate for a war grave than the explosives-oriented methods of other companies.
In April 1981, the survey ship Dammtor began searching for the wreck in the Barents Sea, on behalf of Jessop Marine. After only ten days, Dammtor discovered the wreck at approximately 72°N 35°E / 72°N 35°E / 72; 35, about 400 km NNE of the Soviet coast at the Kola Inlet. The depth was 245 metres (800 ft). Using specialized cameras, the Dammtor took detailed film of the wreck, which allowed Jessop and his divers to carefully plan the salvage operation. The survival of her sister ship HMS Belfast (C35) enabled the team to preview the layout of the lower decks.
Later that year, on 30 August, the dive-support vessel Stephaniturm journeyed to the site, and salvage operations began in earnest. Several divers were injured during the operation, but on 15 September 1981, a diver finally penetrated the bomb room and recovered a bar of gold. By 7 October, when bad weather finally forced the suspension of diving operations, 431 of 465 ingots had been recovered, now worth in excess of £43,000,000 sterling. A further 29 bars were recovered in a subsequent operation in 1986, bringing the total to 460, leaving five unaccounted for.[5]
source: HMS Edinburgh (16) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On this voyage, Edinburgh carryied a 4.5-long-ton (4,570 kg) consignment of gold bullion, intended as partial payment for Allied supplies to the USSR. The 465 gold ingots, carried in 93 wooden boxes, were in the armoured bomb-rooms on the starboard side, near the first torpedo's impact point. At the time, the estimated worth of the bullion was about £1.5 million sterling.
In 1954, the British government offered the salvage rights to the Edinburgh to Risdon Beazley Ltd., a British salvage company. But the project was put on hold, due to strained political relations with the Soviet Union. In 1957, the wreck was designated as a war grave, which complicated any salvage attempts still further.
In the late 1970s, interest in the Edinburgh was reawakened, and the British government became increasingly anxious to recover the gold. This was not only because of its value, but also because there was growing fear that the wreck might be looted by unscrupulous salvagers, or salvaged by the Soviet Union, the coast of which was nearby.
In the early 1980s, seasoned diver Keith Jessop won the salvage rights to Edinburgh for his company Jessop Marine. Jessop's methods, using complex cutting machinery, were deemed more appropriate for a war grave than the explosives-oriented methods of other companies.
In April 1981, the survey ship Dammtor began searching for the wreck in the Barents Sea, on behalf of Jessop Marine. After only ten days, Dammtor discovered the wreck at approximately 72°N 35°E / 72°N 35°E / 72; 35, about 400 km NNE of the Soviet coast at the Kola Inlet. The depth was 245 metres (800 ft). Using specialized cameras, the Dammtor took detailed film of the wreck, which allowed Jessop and his divers to carefully plan the salvage operation. The survival of her sister ship HMS Belfast (C35) enabled the team to preview the layout of the lower decks.
Later that year, on 30 August, the dive-support vessel Stephaniturm journeyed to the site, and salvage operations began in earnest. Several divers were injured during the operation, but on 15 September 1981, a diver finally penetrated the bomb room and recovered a bar of gold. By 7 October, when bad weather finally forced the suspension of diving operations, 431 of 465 ingots had been recovered, now worth in excess of £43,000,000 sterling. A further 29 bars were recovered in a subsequent operation in 1986, bringing the total to 460, leaving five unaccounted for.[5]
source: HMS Edinburgh (16) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RabidAlien
1st Lieutenant
Okay, now if the government contracts the salvage company to get the cargo for it, then by all means, the gov't gets the cargo, with the salvage company getting a cut. If the salvage company lays claim to the wreck, and then subsequently starts recovery operations, then the gov't has no right to step in and demand the cargo, and at this point the salvage company can turn around, bend over, drop their trousers, and give the gov't the finger, all whilst yelling "bugger off!"
It leaves for Spain this week and Spain is not giving the salavge company a single penny 
which they have experienced 2.6mil in expenses
Odyssey argued that the wreck was never positively identified as the Mercedes. And if it was that vessel, then the ship was on a commercial trade trip -- not a sovereign mission --at the time it sank, meaning Spain would have no firm claim to the cargo. International treaties generally hold that warships sunk in battle are protected from treasure seekers.
The company blamed politics for the courts' decisions since the U.S. government publicly backed Spain's efforts to get the treasure returned. In several projects since then, Odyssey has worked with the British
Have I said lately how I detest Governments
Read more: US Air Base To Transfer Shipwreck Treasure Worth Millions To Spain | Fox News
which they have experienced 2.6mil in expenses Odyssey argued that the wreck was never positively identified as the Mercedes. And if it was that vessel, then the ship was on a commercial trade trip -- not a sovereign mission --at the time it sank, meaning Spain would have no firm claim to the cargo. International treaties generally hold that warships sunk in battle are protected from treasure seekers.
The company blamed politics for the courts' decisions since the U.S. government publicly backed Spain's efforts to get the treasure returned. In several projects since then, Odyssey has worked with the British
Have I said lately how I detest Governments
Read more: US Air Base To Transfer Shipwreck Treasure Worth Millions To Spain | Fox News
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