US guarantees Taiwan security. Now what?

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Yes we all know that is presently the case - so why do try to keep making a point out of it?

You did ask me what my point was, so out of courtesy I repeated it for you. If you don't want me to repeat myself, stop asking me to repeat myself. It's that easy.


I don't think the Taiwanese think their island belongs to China. You're assuming the Beijing premise of the point, rather than considering how the Taiwanese feel about their own circumstances.

You really that naive? or you just want to play games? for my part I am not interested in such games.

If you think I'm that naive, perhaps you should try to educate me.


I don't agree. We're not telling Taipei to go for independence.


Firstly, they're not only building islands, they're doing so and then declaring a 200-mile national boundary around them. Not sure why you'd overlook that point. Secondly, they haven't been building islands for four centuries, so that too is nugatory.

As far as what they're "allowed" to have, they're obviously allowed to have anything they want and can build. But other nations are equally allowed to judge the nature and intent of those weapons systems/policies and draw conclusions.


I don't have a dog in that fight, so no, you've guessed wrong.


lol, you'd better ask the Taiwanese. Their opinion matters more than yours so far as I'm concerned.
 
Since there was never a public general election conducted by the people throughout China, the ROC wasn't "proper" at all.

Maybe you should read up onto the Hubei provincial assembly to proclaim the establishment of the Chinese republic in 1911 and the ongoing issues including the April 12th Incident of 1927.
On Oct. 25, 1971, the United Nations General Assembly voted to admit the People's Republic of China (mainland China) and to expel the Republic of China (Taiwan). The Communist P.R.C. therefore assumed the R.O.C.'s place in the General Assembly as well as its place as one of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council.

Therefore the PRC is undoubtedly a UN recognized state.
Has the UN recognized Taiwan as an independent state? - NO

And how some artifacts are supposed to guarantee Taiwan's security - maybe you want to elaborate more onto this?
 
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Hey Jagdflieger,

Does not your argument above mean that the Dontsk/Dombass/Luhansk and Crimea still belong to Ukraine? ie:

There was never a Ukraine wide general election that agreed these areas are independent?

The UN has not recognized them as independent?

Hence Russia is acting illegally in those areas? (I think we can ignore the current invasion of (all?) Ukraine for this part of the discussion.)
 
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Interesting perspective, jagdflieger. Were Chinese dynasties in the history decided by election? General election is a western idea introduced to Asia in the 19th century but it is not almighty in Asia yet. Even in such a stituation, PRC is a proper successor of ROC, not the Qin dynasty.
ROC is merely a ghost in the international society as it still exists.
 
It depends onto ones interpretation of the term "proper", and from 1927 until 1948 (The Kuomintang (KMT), ruled China from 1927 to 1948 before it moved to the island of Taiwan) there was never a general public election. (which would be the 20th century) however you are certainly correct that the ROC in 1912 was the legal successor of the Qing Dynasty and as such also internationally recognized.
 
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Hey Jagdflieger,

Does not your argument above mean that the Dontsk/Dombass/Luhansk and Crimea still belong to Ukraine? ie:
Upon the dissolution of the Soviet-union, Ukraine, Belarus and Russia signed the Alma-Ata Deceleration - forming the Commonwealth aka CIS.
Main issue was the neutrality among each other and a joint military command - the rest I had already written.

Therefore Jelzin did not object towards the boundaries of the Ukraine (that were entirely based onto Soviet design and incl. the "present/gift" Crimea
And as such the UN also recognized Ukraine as a sovereign state with the borders of the former Soviet Republic of Ukraine. I am too lazy now to recheck, but IIRC the Soviet Republic of Ukraine was already a UN member state in the 50'ies.

Ukraine broke the Alma-Ata agreement by including into it's foreign policy statement the political aim to join NATO - a breach towards neutrality.
Russia claims that Kiew suppressed the Russian speaking population of Donbass etc. in parallel Russian/Ukrainian separatists declared those provinces as independent republics which was supported by Putin but rejected by Ukraine and the UN. Due to Ukraine's breach of the Alma-Alta-Declaration Putin forwarded that the Crimea which was given as a gift did not constitute an original part of the Soviet Republic Ukraine and therefore decided to occupy/reclaim it in 2014.
Then Ukraine Armed Forces and separatist Militias started murdering and killing each other - giving Putin a reason to send in Russian troops.

I would think that the rest is known....
 
Yes, this leak is what I was referring to earlier. I saw it in a couple of other sources, but those two seem to be the same.
 
Taiwan has been blocked by PLA vessels as Pelosi's keepsake.

"U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan has caused dissatisfaction in China. In response, the CCP conducted military exercises in 6 waters around Taiwan from August 4 to 7, which is estimated to affect 18 air routes around the world passing through the Taipei FIR....."

Source: ETtoday Taiwan
 

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