US Warbirds again in jeopardy

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    #1 evangilder, May 23, 2012
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    I got this in e-mail this evening: This is a multi-post due to size, but it is important.
    DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
    Federal Aviation Administration
    14 CFR Parts 91, 119, 120, 121, 135, and 136
    [Docket No. FAA-2012-0374 ]
    Living History Flight Experience (LHFE)--Exemptions for Passenger
    Carrying Operations Conducted for Compensation and Hire in Other Than
    Standard Category Aircraft
    AGENCY: Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), DOT.
    ACTION: Notice of public meeting.
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    SUMMARY: The FAA is announcing public meetings to gather additional
    technical input on the subject of exemptions relating to the LHFE.
    Input gathered will aid in developing future FAA guidance for
    evaluating LHFE petitions for exemption. Prior to the public meetings,
    the FAA is seeking public comment on the guidance.
    DATES: The public meetings will be held on June 26, 27, and 28, 2012,
    from 8:00 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. Note that the meetings may be adjourned
    early if scheduled speakers complete their presentations early. The
    deadline to submit a request to make an oral statement is June 18,
    2012. The written comment period will close on June 18, 2012.
    ADDRESSES: The public meetings will be held in the FAA Headquarters
    building auditorium on the third floor, 800 Independence Ave. SW.,
    Washington, DC 20591. Due to limited space, attendees are required to
    please reply (RSVP) to [email protected]. Seating will be on a firstcome-
    first-serve basis. If computer access is not possible, please RSVP
    via mail, fax or hand delivery via the methods listed directly below:
    Mail or Hand Delivery: RSVP to Flight Standards Service,
    General Aviation and Commercial Division, AFS-800, ATTN: LHFE (RSVP),
    800 Independence Ave. SW., Washington, DC 20591.
    Fax: RSVP to AFS-800, Attn: LHFE (RSVP) at 202-385-9597.
    Written comments (identified by docket number FAA-2012-0374) may be
    submitted using any of the following methods:
    [cir] Federal eRulemaking Portal: Go to Regulations.gov
    and follow the instructions for sending comments electronically.
    [cir] Mail: Send comments to Docket Operations, M-30, U.S.
    Department of Transportation, 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE., West Building
    Ground Floor, Room W12-140, Washington, DC 20590.
    [cir] Fax: Fax comments to Docket Operations at 202-493-2251.
    [cir] Hand Delivery: Docket Operations in Room W12-140 of the West
    Building Ground Floor at 1200 New Jersey Avenue SE., Washington, DC,
    between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, except Federal
    holidays.
    Written comments to the docket will receive the same consideration
    as statements made at the public meeting. For more information on the
    rulemaking process, see the SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION section of this
    document.
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    Privacy: The FAA will post all comments it receives, without
    change, to Regulations.gov, including any personal
    information provided by the commenter. Using the search function of the
    FAA's docket Web site, anyone can find and read the comments received
    into any of the agency's dockets, including the name of the individual
    sending the comment (or signing the comment for an association,
    business, labor union, etc.). DOT's complete Privacy Act Statement may
    be reviewed in the Federal Register published on April 11, 2000 (65 FR
    19477-19478) or at Dockets Informational site.
    Docket: Background documents or comments received may be read at
    Regulations.gov at any time or in Docket Operations in Room
    W12-140 of the West Building Ground Floor at 1200 New Jersey Avenue
    SE., Washington, DC, between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m., Monday through Friday,
    except Federal holidays.
    FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Requests to present a statement at the
    public meetings and questions regarding the logistics of the meetings
    should be directed to Ms. Keira Jones, Office of Rulemaking (ARM-101),
    Federal Aviation Administration, 800 Independence Avenue SW.,
    Washington, DC 20591; telephone (202) 267-4025, facsimile (202) 267-
    5075.
    Technical questions should be directed to the General Aviation and
    Commercial Division, AFS-800, Federal Aviation Administration, 800
    Independence Avenue SW., Washington, DC 20591; telephone (202) 385-
    9600, facsimile (202) 385-9597; email [email protected].
    SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:
    Background
    The FAA has historically found an overwhelming public interest in
    preserving United States (U.S.) aviation history, including former
    military aircraft transferred to private individuals or organizations
    for the purpose of restoring and flying these aircraft. The FAA has
    further determined that, with appropriate conditions and limitations
    imposed for public safety purposes, access to these aircraft can
    include allowing the public to experience flight. Because the
    regulations (14 CFR) do not otherwise allow such operations, the FAA
    established through its mid-1990s Living History Flight Experience
    (LHFE) policy that exemptions are an appropriate way to preserve
    aviation history and keep historic airplanes operational when
    comparable airplanes manufactured under a standard airworthiness
    certificate do not exist. The LHFE policy provided a way for the
    private owner/operators of historically significant, Americanmanufactured
    large, crew-served, piston-powered, multi-engine, World
    War II bomber aircraft to conduct limited passenger carrying flights,
    for compensation, as a way to generate funds needed to maintain and
    preserve these historically significant aircraft for future
    generations.
    Because this policy generated a number of petitions for exemption,
    the FAA affirmed that the regulatory scheme adopted in 14 CFR
    establishes appropriate safety standards for aircraft operators and
    crewmembers. Those requesting an exemption from a particular standard
    or set of standards must demonstrate that: (1) The flight cannot be
    performed in full compliance with regulations, (2) there is an
    overriding public interest in conducting passenger flights on the
    aircraft, and (3) the measures to be taken establish an appropriate
    level of safety for the flight. Because of this, the FAA limited the
    scope of its nostalgia flight exemption to World War II (WWII) or
    earlier vintage airplanes (i.e., manufactured before December 31,
    1947). The reasoning behind this limitation addressed both public
    interest (e.g., the unique opportunity to experience flight in a B-
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    17 or B-24 while such aircraft can still be safely maintained) and
     
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    public safety (e.g., older and slower multi-engine which airplanes
    allow time for appropriate corrective measures in the event of an inflight
    emergency, and crews must meet FAA qualification and training
    requirements). In addition, the FAA determined that it would not be
    prudent to grant exemptions from the FAA regulations to operators of
    supersonic jets because the speed of supersonic jets makes it likely
    that any in-flight emergency may result in serious injuries or
    fatalities. The recent crash of a supersonic jet at an air show that
    was piloted by two highly qualified and well-trained flight crewmembers
    clearly demonstrates the need to reevaluate LHFE.
    However, even after defining the guidelines for approving LHFE
    exemptions, the number of petitions for exemptions outside this scope--
    e.g., for former military turbojet-powered aircraft such as the L-29,
    L-39, TS-11, Alfa Jet, and others that remain in active military
    service--led the FAA to issue further guidance in 2006 on Exemptions
    for Passenger-Carrying Operations Conducted for Compensation and Hire
    in Other Than Standard Category Aircraft (71 FR 15087). However, the
    FAA also noted that in expanding requests beyond the original intent,
    i.e., going from a passenger in a B-17 to manipulating the controls of
    a fighter jet to conducting simulated aerial combat fights in the
    interest of ``the historical experience,'' requires the agency to
    reevaluate its policy. The FAA noted that the clear market orientation
    of these requests undermines arguments of a public interest goal in
    preserving unique historical aircraft.
    Nevertheless, the 2006 policy agreed to consider any request for
    exemption for passenger-carrying flights in non-standard category
    aircraft, especially former military turbine-engine-powered aircraft,
    on a case-by-case basis, including consideration of non-American
    manufactured aircraft. However, some petitioners are now creating
    business models (as indicated above) that, if authorized by the FAA,
    would offer civilians an opportunity to conduct such aerial combat
    flights with hands-on flight experience in these aircraft. The FAA did
    not contemplate or intend operations of this nature when it originally
    developed the LHFE policy and, since issuance of the original policy
    and its subsequent revisions, additional issues (e.g., airworthiness
    and maintenance concerns) continue to emerge. Because of the high risks
    associated with the industry's expanded business model, the FAA has
    determined that a comprehensive evaluation of this policy is necessary
    and seeks public input.
    Purpose of the Public Meetings
    The purpose of the public meetings is for the FAA to hear the
    public's views and obtain information relevant to the policy under
    consideration. The FAA will consider comments made at the public
    meetings (as well as comments submitted to the docket) before making a
    final decision on issuance of the policy.
    Persons wishing to attend this one-time meeting are required to
    register in advance. Your registration must detail whether you wish to
    make a statement during the public meeting. If you do wish to make a
    statement, your registration must indicate which of the following
    policy topics/questions you wish to speak about and what organization
    you represent. Due to limited space, attendees are required to reply
    (RSVP) to: [email protected]. If computer access is not possible,
    please RSVP via mail, fax or hand delivery via the methods listed above
    in the ADDRESSES section.
    In addition to the information sought during the public meeting,
    the FAA seeks information on the following questions. In order for the
    FAA to consider expansion of the policy, we must have sufficient data
    that provides an equivalent level of safety, address public interest,
    along with full background documentation. It is foreseen that
    additional limitations will be required for any expansion to the LHFE
    policy due to some additions that have been requested (i.e., replica,
    turbojet and supersonic aircraft), and not previous contemplated in the
    original LHFE policy. Again, the FAA requests that all comments be
    accompanied by full documentation.
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    General Policy
    (a) If changes are made to the LHFE policy that excludes certain
    aircraft which are currently allowed in an exemption, how should the
    FAA possibly grandfather such operations?
    (b) If LHFE is not limited to original factor built aircraft with
    operational history or if replica, reproduction, or look a like
    aircraft are to be considered under an expanded LHFE, what are the
    safety mitigations and limitations that should be considered and why.
    (c) Should the operational history of the model be considered?
    Should the civil and public/military accident rate be considered when
    reviewing petitions for LHFE?
    (d) Should the LHFE policy be limited to U.S. manufactured aircraft
    (as originally intended) with significant U.S. aviation history? If the
    FAA is to expand the scope of LHFE, the following issues must be
    addressed:
    i. The operational history of former U.S. military aircraft is
    accessible to the FAA while that of foreign aircraft may not be
    accessible.
    ii. The FAA has little or no information on the ``standard'' to
    which the non-U.S. aircraft were built.
    (e) Should the FAA exclude jets, turbojets and/or supersonic
    aircraft? If not, the following issues must be addressed:
    i. High performance aircraft increase the level of complexity for
    the operation of these aircraft.
    ii. High performance aircraft add an increased level of complexity
    to the maintenance of these aircraft.
    iii. The FAA must consider the higher level of risk brought on by
    the higher energy aircraft and ejection seats. What are the industry
    standards for the FAA to evaluate on the inherent risks?
    iv. Should the FAA permit turboprop powered aircraft to hold LHFE
    status?
    (f) Should the FAA permit single engine aircraft to hold LHFE
    status considering policy was originally developed based on the
    operation of large, multi-engine, crew served aircraft?
    (g) Should the FAA permit aircraft that were once operated by the
    military as single seat aircraft LHFE status if a second seat has been
    added? Does this configuration still meet the intent of LHFE?
    (h) The original concept of the exemptions was to permit the public
    to experience something that could not be experienced in a ``standard
    category'' aircraft. With that in mind, should the FAA permit LHFE in
    aircraft for which a standard category aircraft is available and where
    comparable experience can be obtained.
    (i) The original concept of the exemptions was to permit the public
    to experience something that could not be experienced in a ``standard''
    aircraft. With that in mind, should the FAA permit LHFE in aircraft for
    which there is a standard version of the same? How do we phase out or
    grandfather those that were inadvertently included as LHFE?
    (j) Should the FAA establish an Organizational Delegation
    Authority-like process where an authorized industry entity evaluates an
    organization's request (training, certification, airworthiness, etc.)
    and makes recommends to the FAA.
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    Issuance, General
    (k) Older aircraft require a rather large commitment on the part of
    the operator. Sometimes it may be more than the operator realizes.
     
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    Should the FAA require a ``fitness'' standard that considers the
    following?
    i. Can the operator operate the aircraft?
    1. How much experience is enough to demonstrate the operator has
    the ability to operate the specific type? Or should the FAA consider
    their ability to operate a similar aircraft?
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    ii. Can the operator maintain the aircraft?
    1. Have they satisfactorily maintained this or a similar aircraft?
    (l) The FAA feels that an operator's compliance history should be
    considered. If the operator or its principals have a history of noncompliance,
    should the FAA deny the petition?
    i. Should the FAA require a ``violation free'' time period? If so,
    how long should it be? What about non-aviation history (i.e., convicted
    felon)?
    (m) In part 119 operations, a new operator or one proposing to
    conduct operations with a significantly different aircraft may be asked
    to conduct proving or validation flights/testing to demonstrate their
    ability to conduct the operations proposed.
    i. How much proving or validation flights/testing should be
    required if the petitioner does not have experience with the specific
    aircraft?
    ii. How much proving or validation flight/testing should be
    required if the petitioner does not have experience with a similar
    aircraft?
    (n) How can the FAA determine ``Operational Control''? The
    exemptions are designed to permit not-for-profit organizations to
    support the continued operation of LHFE aircraft. Who owns the
    aircraft? Who operates the aircraft? Who is responsible for the
    operation of the aircraft? Who really benefits?
    (o) Should the FAA require that LHFE holders carry insurance?
    Issuance, Limitations
    (p) Should passengers be permitted to occupy a crew seat/position
    considering the following current policy?
    i. The current LHFE policy states: ``No persons other than the
    assigned flight crew members may be permitted on the pilot station of
    the airplane during flight operations.''
    ii. The FAA has always interpreted this statement as prohibiting
    the passengers from manipulating the controls of a single pilot
    aircraft but several LHFE holders have complained that the FAA
    misapplied the meaning as applied to single pilot aircraft.
    (q) Formation flight is already prohibited by Sec. 91.111(b) but
    the FAA feels that ``air combat maneuvering'' at any distance creates
    an unacceptable level of risk (formation is popularly defined as flight
    within 500 feet). Considering this, should such flights be prohibited
    or severely restricted to ensure the safety of the aircraft occupants
    and persons and property on the ground?
    (r) Should the FAA prohibit or severely restrict aerobatics in LHFE
    aircraft considering the following?
    i. Older aircraft, mitigation of risk requires that the aircraft be
    operated ``gently.''
    ii. Aerobatic training and rides are available in properly
    certificated aircraft.
    iii. Pilot qualification. The FAA has no clear way to qualify or
    evaluate aerobatic qualifications. Is an ICAS ACE evaluation adequate?
    iv. If the FAA permits aerobatics, are the current weather minimums
    adequate (1500 ft ceiling and three miles visibility) or are they too
    low?
    v. Many of the aircraft manuals restrict aerobatics to much higher
    altitudes such as those listed in the P-47 aircraft.
    (s) Should the FAA limit, restrict, or prohibit low passes while
    conducting LHFE flights?
    (t) Should the FAA require approved seats for the pilots and
    passengers?
    (u) What emergency equipment should the FAA require on LHFE
    aircraft?
    (v) Should the FAA require operators to have evacuation plans and
    drills?
    (w) If the FAA allows ``high performance'' jets, should the
    operator be required to have arresting gear?
    i. If the FAA requires the availability of arresting gear, will the
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    military approve?
    (x) Considering the following, should the FAA include flight
    training requirements in the LHFE exemption?
    i. Flight training is available via deviation for experimental
    aircraft.
    ii. Flight training is available in limited aircraft via exemption.
    (y) In addition to the LHFE exemption, should the FAA require the
    operator to obtain a 14 CFR 91 Sightseeing ride Letter of
    Authorization?
    (z) In nearly every flight operation where passengers are carried
    for compensation or hire, pilots are required to participate in a drug
    and alcohol testing program. Should the FAA require drug and alcohol
    training and testing for LHFE operators?
    Weather Minimums
    (aa) Weather minimums.
    i. Should the weather minimums be raised for all LHFE flights or
    should the FAA require the pilot in command (PIC) of LHFE aircraft to
    be instrument rated and current?
    ii. Since Sec. 91.515 requires large aircraft to remain at least
    1,000 feet above ground level, and the minimum distance below clouds in
    class C, D, and E airspace is 500 feet, is a 1500 foot ceiling
    appropriate or should the FAA require more appropriate weather minimums
    for these aircraft?
    iii. If the FAA allows passengers to manipulate the controls of the
    LHFE aircraft, what should be the minimum weather?
    iv. If the FAA allows aerobatic flight in LHFE aircraft, what
    should be the minimum weather?
    Pilot Qualification/Currency
    (bb) Pilot qualification/experience minimums.
    i. Is an unrestricted pilot qualification required?
    (cc) Pilot and crew training requirements.
    i. Are the current LHFE training requirements adequate?
    Maintenance/Inspection
    (dd) Should the operator be required to demonstrate their ability
    to maintain the aircraft?
    (ee) Are the current LHFE maintenance and inspection requirements
    adequate?
    i. An experimental airworthiness certificate assumes a higher level
    of risk is acceptable for the pilot. However, is the higher level of
    risk acceptable for a paying passenger or should the FAA change the
    conditions and limitations, or the operating limitations, to mitigate
    the risks? If so, what should such changes look like?
    (ff) Should the FAA require that the interior and exterior
    entrances be marked as exit doors?
    i. Should the markings be in contrasting colors?
    ii. Should the markings have a minimum legibility requirement such
    as 36 inches?
    iii. Should the FAA require that the handles be marked in a
    contrasting color?
    (gg) Should aircraft that have been modified by the addition of a
    second seat be required to provide a means for the passenger to exit
    the aircraft without the pilot exiting first?
    (hh) Safety of the public is the FAA's primary goal. Since LHFE
    aircraft are all older aircraft, how should the FAA
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    determine which aircraft can be operated under LHFE? Some of the LHFE
    aircraft range from complete restorations (from the data plate up) to
    aircraft that have serious corrosion or other structural issues.
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    i. How should the FAA identify which aircraft are eligible for LHFE
    status?
    ii. How does the FAA or operator ensure an equal level of safety?
    (ii) Should the FAA allow aircraft that previously held a standard
    certificate, but later ``decertified'' and now hold an experimental
    certificate, be allowed to operate under an LHFE exemption?
    i. Aircraft that no longer conform to their type certificate data
    sheet create an issue for the FAA since it can be difficult to
    determine an equal level of safety for a decertified aircraft. With
    this in mind, should such aircraft be allowed to operate under LHFE
    status?
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    Sounds like someone couldn't pass the written exam, and is pissed off.
     
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    Yeah, it's bad. Its looking more and more like the USAF Museum wants to remove all high performance aircraft from the civilian operators.
     
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    Incredible. :(
     
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    Dam idiots.......
     
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    This amy sound like a silly question but what is their definition of a high performance jet re transfer of ownership? If it was mentioned and I missed it I can only put it to my eyes glazing over
     
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    Looks like an uphill battle....

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    "In addition, the FAA determined that it would not be
    prudent to grant exemptions from the FAA regulations to operators of
    supersonic jets because the speed of supersonic jets makes it likely
    that any in-flight emergency may result in serious injuries or
    fatalities. The recent crash of a supersonic jet at an air show that
    was piloted by two highly qualified and well-trained flight crewmembers
    clearly demonstrates the need to reevaluate LHFE."


    Notice the author of this trash doesn't give specifics. The last crash that I'm aware of at an airshow that killed 2 crewmembers occured at Point Mugu in 2002. This aircraft WAS NOT civilian operated.

    Report: Pilot error caused crash - Pt. Mugu Air Show 4/20/2002
     
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    I was thinking the same thing FBJ. We should write a comment to the docket and they wll be forced to identify it.
     
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    I'm going to write a comment this weekend and copy my state senator - let's see what they come back with.
     
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    By law they have to respond so we'll get an answer.
     
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    FBJ, did you submit a comment?
     
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    Matt, I have not, busy at work and life, but be rest assured I will get it done this week! ;)
     
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    Sent out this morning;

    General Aviation and
    Commercial Division, AFS-800, Federal Aviation Administration, 800
    Independence Avenue SW., Washington, DC 20591; telephone (202) 385-
    9600, facsimile (202) 385-9597; email [email protected].



    Subject: [Docket No. FAA-2012-0374 ]
    Living History Flight Experience (LHFE)--Exemptions for Passenger
    Carrying Operations Conducted for Compensation and Hire in Other Than
    Standard Category Aircraft


    Request Information



    In the noted document a statment was made;




    "In addition, the FAA determined that it would not be
    prudent to grant exemptions from the FAA regulations to operators of
    supersonic jets because the speed of supersonic jets makes it likely
    that any in-flight emergency may result in serious injuries or
    fatalities. The recent crash of a supersonic jet at an air show that
    was piloted by two highly qualified and well-trained flight crewmembers
    clearly demonstrates the need to reevaluate LHFE."


    PLEASE PROVIDE SPECIFICS OF THAT STATEMENT WITH REGARDS TO DATE OF ACCIDENT, TYPE OF AIRCRAFT AND NTSB REPORT.





    Thank you;
     
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    That will do it. :toothy5:
     
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    It looks like I wasn't the only one who noticed this. This was off a post on the CJAA website;

    From the Collings foundation LHFE response re supersonic jet crash:

    'The FAA also states, “The recent crash of a supersonic jet at an air show that was piloted by two highly qualified and well- trained flight crewmembers clearly demonstrates the need to reevaluate LHFE.”

    "The accident that is being referenced is the April 20th 2002 loss of a Navy F-4S Phantom at the Point Mugu airshow. While the accident was unfortunate, it was over 10 years ago and hardly “recent”. Also, this was a military aircraft being displayed at an airshow and operated in a manner that is very different from how LHFE operations are conducted. Furthermore, the pilot had only 79 hours in type,(hardly “highly qualified”) and the accident report lists this as pilot error (see attached report). Since that time there have been a variety of airshow accidents that the FAA does not mention, clearly since they have virtually no resemblance to LHFE operations. Furthermore, the aforementioned 2006 policy was published over four years after this accident so the FAA has already well considered the event before publishing the policy."


    Putting it mildly - the guys from the FAA who wrote this commentary are either brain dead or a lying POS!
     
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    In 'FAA-land' that guy's indirect comment is will be easily dismissed as "commentary". Your input was a direct question and according to legal comment disposition must be answered directly. The above comment will either be ignored or will be summarized in a sentence along the lines of "One commenter noted the reference to a crash as being irrelavent based upon temporal aspects between the accident and this proposed rulemaking". FlyboyJ's comment is a direct question. Pays dividends to have listened to your English teacher in highschool, doesn't it. :toothy5:
     
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