Vietnam Vets Protest Jane Fonda's Broadway Show

[pbfoot]

First of all pb, I did not mean anything personal in my posts. "clueless" and "lost" refer to your opinions, not to you.

But the Viet Nam War and Jane Fonda are very sensitive issues to me and I felt the tone of your posts was to in some way defend her, and take issue with the way I described her (bitch, piece of sh*t, etc).

I lost a number of friends there and I was on active duty while she was sitting on that NVA AAA battery.

We are on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, I realize that, but I hope that I live to see that bitch die, for I will be the first to dance on her grave.

TO

Remember we had over 50000 thrill seekers from up here that went to Viet Nam for excitement including 2 guys I knew that never returned

 

[pbfoot]

"Liberalism is not a political choice. It is an incurable mental illness that has done to America in 2 decades what our enemies could not do in 2 centuries"

and heres one on Texas
"All new states are invested, more or less, by a class of noisy, second-rate men who are always in favor of rash and extreme measures, but Texas was absolutely overrun by such men."
Sam Houston

 

[Amsel]

I love those old Texas quotes. Heres another; If I could choose between hell and Texas, I'd choose hell.

Seriously, could tame men settle the frontier? Usually only second rate, rash men could.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

for I will be the first to dance on her grave.

TO

Wear your boots because I'll be sh!tting on it first!

 

[Tony Hill]

Some interesting info courtesy of Barrett Tillman, a sometime visitor here (posted Aerodrome Forum several years ago.... Barrett, Killratio NEVER forgets! )

"In 1972, after four years of "negotiations" the Nixon-Kissinger regime responded to the NVN spring offensive in the south with massive airpower. In April of that year Alamo Flight of the 366th FW had a dustup with some MiG-21s (each side lost a bird) and Alamo Lead was egressing single engine. Frank Olynyk probably knows all the players; it's known as Event 62 in the Red Baron reports. Anyway, Alamo 4 looked down, saw a white twin-engine bird with red stars and wondered if he should shoot it. Being a good wingie, he stuck with Dash One and escorted him clear of the combat area. The AF spooks had real-time intel: contents, one-each Fonda, Jane. It was on that trip that she cavorted with the NVA AA crew (I believe it was a 57mm gun), sat in the gunner's seat wearing a helmet and said "I'd like to get one of those baby killers in my sights."
There's been a widely circulated report on the net that she turned over covert messages from US POWs to the Vietnamese, who allegedly tortured the men and killed one. Not as widely distributed is a report denying the story, including disclaimers from some of the individuals named. The NVN didn't need an excuse to torture or kill prisoners.
However, POWs of my acquaintance have two fantasies: 10 minutes locked in a room with Robert Strange McNamara, and 5 minutes with Jane." .............


Back to ME . I refuse to watch anything with her in it. I hate traitors. What she did was more than express a belief, she committed traitorous acts by definition, the fact that a "legal" charge of same can not be supported in an undeclared war is unfortunate in the extreme. Supporting an enemy of your country, people who are killing your countrymen deserves contempt.

I wonder what was her opinion of the NVA and VC "heros" who 're-educated' and murdered thousands of their own 'babies' to show them the 'light'?
She has never said anything about that, to my knowledge.


Recently an ex-VC made the comment to me that when he fought in Cambodia in 1979 it was terrible, you never knew who was your enemy and who was a villager..and those people were flat out "killing their own".

Sounds vaguely familiar....

Right and wrong are very flexible concepts. Loyalty to the country that gave you birth is not..IMHO.





Regards to all.
Darryl

 

[Matt308]

I'm a step away from closing this thread. Anybody else that addresses Pb with "no offence meant" or "with all due respect" is pissing in the wind. Say what you mean, boys. One might respect the right to a position, but puh-leese if you don't agree with it have the cajones to say so.

 

[Bill G.]

I willingly and freely enlisted in the US Active Air Force in November, 1971. We were at war in Vietnam. What she did was more than an insult to those of us in uniform, it was a slap in the face.

To put it in legal terms, it was aiding and abetting the enemy.

And very hurtful and harmful to our POWs.

Bill G.

 

[ToughOmbre]

Say what you mean, boys. One might respect the right to a position, but puh-leese if you don't agree with it have the cajones to say so.

I think I've done that, but just so there's no misunderstanding.....

Jane Fonda was, is and always will be, a piece of sh*t! If I ever have the misfortune of meeting up with her, it will take all of my inner self-restraint to prevent me from punching her in the face.

And I will never have respect for any individual that tries to justify, in any way or degree, what that piece of garbage did to her country during the Viet Nam War!

And that's my last word on it.

TO

 

[drgondog]

The gift that keeps on giving..

 

[Clay_Allison]

She can burn in hell, with all of the current Terrorist Groupies who are doing the same thing.

 

[Hansie Bloeckmann]

The majority of people in her age group protesting weren't doing this...

I think you have it right, Flyboy. If she had kept her protests Stateside, she might have been just another piss-headed anti-war bitch, but going to Hanoi and posing with the enemy (who were shooting down our pilots with SAMs) take goes past protesting and into the realm of treason. I saw a biker out in SD years ago- a Vietnam Vet (101st A/B)-- and the wording went like this: Vietnam Vets will forgive Hanoi Jane Fonda when Israel makes Hitler their Prime Minister-- I can only wonder, if she could go back in time, would she do the same thing again? Somehow, I think she would have. Something about Hollywood and celebrity status I think...