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Ho w do you want to develop the Bf 110 any further? It was suited with DB 605 engines. You can't get any better performance, the ME 210 was the "further" development.
Which aircraft was the developed Mosquito killer ? FW 187
When did it enter service ? 1939, wasn't developed further through political reasons and a totaly brainless RLM at this time.
How many Mosquitos did it shoot down? Hard to estimate
a FW 187 that will reach top speeds between (620km/h/Db 601A; 660km/h/DB 601F and 682km/h/Db 601A) a lot, because it had the speed advantage
I agree that the Mosquito is one of the best aircraft of WW2. But I do feel you are creating a hype even when you say you are not. It is only natural that less Mosquito bombers were shot down than heavy bombers. But there were never more than 200 Mosquitoes operational, so their use was limited, at least as a conventional bomber. The Mosquito was fast but when carrying its 'cookie' its performance (and handling) dropped significantly. Thus, as a bomber, it was not that invincible as often portrayed. Its real strength was as as a reconaissance aircraft and night fighter. Unlike the Me 410, it was totally unsuited as a tactical bomber. The Mosquito hardly carried any armour which made it very vulnerable against Flak, especially at low altitude. Also, woonden structure tend to catch fire easily. The Mosquito had important structural limitations due to its wooden construction. It was unable to make high G manoeuvres without its wings falling off.Was the Mosquito over hyped? An aircraft that carried out many roles and in Bomber Command service flew 39,795 sorties for 260 losses, a rate of 0.65%. Show me another aircraft on any side that comes close.
If it is over hyped why did the Luftwaffe develop an almost obsessional need to deal with it? The figures show that it never did.
Those Mosquitos flying two sorties a night, delivering 8,000lbs or ordnance with impunity sure as hell got up someone's nose!
Don, I think you misread what he said.
Pattle's words were "why the Germans should not have developed the Me110 any further".
That is, he is saying that development of the Me 110 should have been cancelled around 1941/42.
I agree that the Mosquito is one of the best aircraft of WW2. But I do feel you are creating a hype even when you say you are not. It is only natural that less Mosquito bombers were shot down than heavy bombers. But there were never more than 200 Mosquitoes operational, so their use was limited, at least as a conventional bomber. The Mosquito was fast but when carrying its 'cookie' its performance (and handling) dropped significantly. Thus, as a bomber, it was not that invincible as often portrayed. Its real strength was as as a reconaissance aircraft and night fighter. Unlike the Me 410, it was totally unsuited as a tactical bomber. The Mosquito hardly carried any armour which made it very vulnerable against Flak, especially at low altitude. Also, woonden structure tend to catch fire easily. The Mosquito had important structural limitations due to its wooden construction. It was unable to make high G manoeuvres without its wings falling off.
Compare that with the Me 410 which was one of the strongest planes built, capable of dive bombing at an angle of 70 degrees, and strongly protected by armour. Not saying the Me 410 was superior to the Mosquito, but I do feel that both had their strengths and weakneses.
Kris
IMO small internal fuel capacity was a greater Whirlwind shortcoming.
Fw-187 and Me-210 didn't have that problem. Both aircraft carried generous amounts of fuel. So did British Mosquito.
I agree that the Mosquito is one of the best aircraft of WW2. But I do feel you are creating a hype even when you say you are not. It is only natural that less Mosquito bombers were shot down than heavy bombers. But there were never more than 200 Mosquitoes operational, so their use was limited, at least as a conventional bomber. The Mosquito was fast but when carrying its 'cookie' its performance (and handling) dropped significantly. Thus, as a bomber, it was not that invincible as often portrayed. Its real strength was as as a reconaissance aircraft and night fighter. Unlike the Me 410, it was totally unsuited as a tactical bomber. The Mosquito hardly carried any armour which made it very vulnerable against Flak, especially at low altitude. Also, woonden structure tend to catch fire easily.
The Mosquito had important structural limitations due to its wooden construction. It was unable to make high G manoeuvres without its wings falling off.
Fact: Approx 50 Mosquitos of all types were shot down by German night fighters in two years (Kurt Welter alone claimed 35, but that's a whole other story)
What book is that Mossie kill list from, Aozora?
Will have to do some cross-checking...
Gebhard Aders, History of the German Night Fighter Force 1917-1945, page 245.
Gebhard Aders, History of the German Night Fighter Force 1917-1945, page 245.
Here's the matches I was able to make.
Green = Matches to a bomber loss
Purple = Matches to a loss other than a bomber
Green = Possible match, difficulty with time or date
Black = Highly unlikely to match to a loss, given location of loss or type of Mossie lost, or both
Red = No match or possible match found.
Edit: Red lines through 27/28 5 1944 and 22/23 12 1944 should be yellow.
This. DonL, I understand the FW 187 is one of your favourites and I am sure it would've made a great aircraft. I can see it having an advantage in a one-on-one situation versus a Mosquito due to it being more nimble. But to reliably intercept you'd need a speed advantage of, say, 50-60 km/h at least-There is no evidence that an OPERATIONAL Fw 187 fighter would have had a large enough speed advantage over a Mosquito flying at altitude to enable consistently successful interceptions.
I agree that the Mosquito is one of the best aircraft of WW2. But I do feel you are creating a hype even when you say you are not. It is only natural that less Mosquito bombers were shot down than heavy bombers. But there were never more than 200 Mosquitoes operational, so their use was limited, at least as a conventional bomber. The Mosquito was fast but when carrying its 'cookie' its performance (and handling) dropped significantly. Thus, as a bomber, it was not that invincible as often portrayed. Its real strength was as as a reconaissance aircraft and night fighter. Unlike the Me 410, it was totally unsuited as a tactical bomber. The Mosquito hardly carried any armour which made it very vulnerable against Flak, especially at low altitude. Also, woonden structure tend to catch fire easily. The Mosquito had important structural limitations due to its wooden construction. It was unable to make high G manoeuvres without its wings falling off.
Compare that with the Me 410 which was one of the strongest planes built, capable of dive bombing at an angle of 70 degrees, and strongly protected by armour. Not saying the Me 410 was superior to the Mosquito, but I do feel that both had their strengths and weakneses.
Kris