carpenoctem1689
Airman 1st Class
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- Sep 10, 2005
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carpenoctem1689 said:Lets say there was no Pearl Harbor, because japan wanted to capture china and utilize it before fighting the united states, which Yamamoto said would crush them after the "sleeping giant was awoken". Lets say the japanese and the germans/italians all went for russia and china. Without america officially "in the war" the germans would have a much easier time holding out in North Africa along with the italians, and the japanese navy could be brought to bare on the british eastern forces of the royal navy. The carriers could launch long range fighters "zeros" and dive bombers and horizontal bombers "Vals and Kates" against coastal and inland targets against the soviet union. The Land based fighters and bombers would hit farther in from bases in Manchuria, and all the men gaurding islands in the pacific would be freed up for renewed offensives against the chinese and some against the russians. With barbarossa kicking off, the russians would move production facilities back, haha in the range of the japanese bombers like the Betty, which could pound them into rubble. With russia taking hits from both sides i think it would have fallen. How about your thoughts?
P38 Pilot said:The US had a regular infantry rifle: The M1 Garand, which was far supieor than the Japanese Bolt action rifle. We would've driven off our land with simply our better technology, and increasing number of soldiers on the east coast that would've came here to beat the mess out of the Japanese.
I know, but reinforcements from the East would've have come to help out. Army, Marines, whatever.I think if the Japanese were to invade, it would have been on the west coast.
Exactly! Their weapons are really bad. Hell, some of their rifles were single shots!They had horrible weaponry when compared to ours. Osaka rifles and those machine guns with the Solid feeder belts, just not good enough. There artillery was mostly outdated, and there tanks too small, too lightly armed, and not enough armor, range, or speed. I meant to post that if they had ever reached the coast (simply impossible, they only held the aleutians from a mix of weather and distance from american airfields) they would have been crushed, and beaten right back into the sea.
This happened with my Great-unlce who was a landing strip engineer in the Pacific. He told me the story of how he was simply leaving the area and being charged by a japanese scout that he had spooked. Said he had to grab the rifle and fling him to the ground while taking the jap's rifle and binding him and then knocked him out. I like that story alot.No offense but I don't think you know very much about the jungle warfare in WWII. On the contrary getting into hand-to-hand combat in the jungles was a common occurance in comparison to normal pitched warfare. In some jungles you can barely see three feet in front of your face and be stood on the enemy before you even know he's there.
carpenoctem1689 said:I have played axis and allies and have "changed" the rules, for truces and alliances, transfer of funds and forces, and the game became so much more fun. My partner was defeated as germany (i was japan) and america wasnt in the war, but russia and britain were, russias western front (against my japanese) was on its knee's, while the germans on the east and western fronts was on its knees. My partner and i conferred and i told hime to build battleships and U-boats and get them to me, under africa, and transfer them to me at wars end for him, so i could boost my already large navy. He got me two battleships, and three U-boats and a carrier, not to mention some other smaller vessels, non-combat. With that and my massive navy, i launched an attack on america and crippled theyre navy, somehow survived theyre aerial assault and landed on theyre east coast, beating them to a stalemate in the middle of the US. Finally i succame to the odds, but i held out for a five day struggle after germany fell. Thats where i got the idea, though i dont believe an american invasion was near impossible.