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There are a lot of teachers ( like there are a lot of other professionals) who should NOT be carrying a gun. There are a lot who could/should be allowed to carry a gun.

The Problem is telling the difference before hand AND setting a reasonable policy. Which, judging by the rather appalling state of education in America should NOT be up to the school administrations or "professional educators" ( those who don't actually teach kids but draw big salaries for telling the teachers how to teach).

I do number more than a few teachers among the members of several gun clubs I have belonged to. A few of them have even won teacher of the year awards from different school districts.

Unfortunately I can just see some boneheaded assignments in the future.

1. " Miss Smith, for the coming 2 weeks you will have morning recess duty, lunch duty on Wednesday and Friday and "gun" duty on Monday and Thursday. Mr. Brown you will have afternoon recess duty, lunch duty on Monday and Thursday and gun duty on Tuesday and Friday. Mrs Purple, you will have ......."
2. Will the "gun duty" come with a stipend, like being an assistant coach? $500.00 a year? How assigned, by seniority?
Don't laugh, one teacher I know caught quite a bit of flack for being the high school rifle team coach because she was a substitute teacher and not full time. The FACT that none of the full time teachers wanted the job didn't stop some of the comments or bitching. She ran a good program that drew more applicants than she had room on the team for and the school won several state championships.
With this tremendous stipend she received, she stored guns and equipment at her house ( a lot of equipment and rifles donated by area shooters) and transported the equipment/rifles in her own vehicle for the duration of the season.

Somehow the mere availability of guns didn't seem to cause wholesale blood in the streets in years gone by. A man who won a silver medal for shooting in the 1948 Olympics recalled traveling around New York City with his high school rifle team in the 1930s by subway with uncased rifles to compete against other schools. Now the sight of 5-6 teenagers sitting quietly in a row with rifles between their knees and muzzles pointed at the ceiling would call for the deployment of multiple SWAT teams if not calling out the National Guard. Back in the 60s and 70s a lot of teams I shot against were based in the basements of older high schools with rifle ranges. I am not going to say there were NO school shootings or accidents but I sure don't recall any mass shootings. Students even in Connecticut's less Urban towns often went hunting either before or after school in the fall and had hunting weapons in their cars without shootings in the parking lots.

I am a life long shooter ( well, practically, started when I was 10), I have worked part time at a commercial range and helped coach several different high school teams. I have also been a public employee ( unions and potential law suits can screw up the best intentions) . I am a life member of the NRA. While "arming"teachers sounds like a good slogan it is near worthless as a practical solution. On the other hand prohibiting a teacher who is licensed from having a firearm either on their person (concealed) or readily accessible (locked case or vehicle in parking lot) seems to have done nothing but make schools a MORE dangerous place. Making schools "Gun Free" zones just guarantees the school shooters a much delayed response to their actions.


Sorting out the the teachers who could carry firearms for the "right" reasons, No Walter Mitty fantasies, no just doing it for an extra 500.00 a year or what ever, no ego boost, etc is a tough job and assigning gun carry as a mandatory duty is worse than useless.
I am a very good shot and was a firefighter for 33 years but I have NO FREAKIN idea how I would respond to a shooting situation in front of me.
 
I really don't want to get into a gun debate, because it always turnd poliltical.

Having said that...

I am a legal law abiding citizen who has a concealed carry permit. I believe in the right for someone to be allowed to defend themselves. The problem is (and anti gun people refuse to see) is that taking guns away from the law abiding citizens, the bad people out there will still have them. Fact of life, and there is no denying it.

The cops can not protect you. A friend of mine had a stalker harrassing her. She called the cops, they said they could do nothing since he had done nothing illegal yet. Basically they act when it is too late.

For the protection of my family, I will never give up my guns. NSA you reading this? :lol:
 
I really don't want to get into a gun debate, because it always turnd poliltical.

Having said that...

I am a legal law abiding citizen who has a concealed carry permit. I believe in the right for someone to be allowed to defend themselves. The problem is (and anti gun people refuse to see) is that taking guns away from the law abiding citizens, the bad people out there will still have them. Fact of life, and there is no denying it.

The cops can not protect you. A friend of mine had a stalker harrassing her. She called the cops, they said they could do nothing since he had done nothing illegal yet. Basically they act when it is too late.

For the protection of my family, I will never give up my guns. NSA you reading this? :lol:

With laws and stuff now even if you shot someone in 'self defense' outside of them breaking into your home to kill you there are so many grey areas as to when you can and can't..makes my head spin
 
In all honesty, the way things are going I don't think anyone in society (present company excluded) should have anything sharper than a cotton swab...but sure as hell, some dumbass will figure out a way to get hurt by it :/
 
With laws and stuff now even if you shot someone in 'self defense' outside of them breaking into your home to kill you there are so many grey areas as to when you can and can't..makes my head spin

In the end as long as my family is alive and unhurt, I don't give a damn.

Lets face it. Our country has a problem with crime and violence, and there is unfortunately too many people out there that have no care for human life. Look at the ****tard who broke into that womans house in New Jersey and beat her senseless (for no reason) while robbing her house. The one that was caught on the nanny cam...

Too bad he did not walk into the house of an armed citizen. Our country would be rid of one more worthless scum.
 
In the end as long as my family is alive and unhurt, I don't give a damn.

Lets face it. Our country has a problem with crime and violence, and there is unfortunately too many people out there that have no care for human life. Look at the ****tard who broke into that womans house in New Jersey and beat her senseless (for no reason) while robbing her house. The one that was caught on the nanny cam...

Too bad he did not walk into the house of an armed citizen. Our country would be rid of one more worthless scum.

Millburn Township where my Dad was a cop, was out of place...its 10 minutes from newark but a pretty affluent community. But thats a different situation thats in someones own home...I have no issue with that
 
In Britain we have a different view on the public owning guns. Here I do not need a gun.... I think.
What is the firearm policy for police? I remember cartoons of a whistle-carrying British Bobby chasing a criminal and shouting: "STOP or I'll TOOT!.":p
 
Guns are enshrined in the American consciousness. If I were an American I would have a firearm for all the reasons Mike and others say.
In Britain we have a different view on the public owning guns. Here I do not need a gun.... I think.
Society is changing and our ambivalence towards guns may have to change too..

I bet the young soldier who was beheaded and mutilated on the public street, while the unarmed "Bobbies" watched and waited for armed backup would think differently if he were still alive.
 
That was a horrible incident but guns weren't missing here, rather more people like Ingrid Loyau-Kennett.

Police or someone with guns could have stopped these animals.

Ingrid was extremely brave, but lucky.

Fact and period...

As I said, I am not getting in s gun debate. They are always the same, and neither side will budge.
 
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Police or someone with guns could have stopped these animals.

Fact and period...

As I said, I am not getting in s gun debate. They are always the same, and neither side will budge.

British Police do have 'armed' units so to speak which respond to hot calls involving that sort of stuff, yeah it was an awful incident and a gun would've helped and I guess the British are trying to enforce their gun free culture. but thats what I'm saying cops/military SHOULD be able to have them

"I was previously injured badly in an assault. My colleague and I feared for our lives - thankfully other officers came to our aid. I don't think a gun - or a Taser for that matter - would have helped us in that situation. Communication is one of the best tools, and to be honest, having a gun could make an officer feel over-confident."

Source: BBC News - Why British police don?t have guns

Now that's a quote from a British Police officer off the BBC, While I DO NOT agree with it from a Police Officer standpoint...I DO agree with the bolded for your average citizen carrying a firearm around. Others said they would happily carry one as well but it wont happen because they have to be retrained.

Again, please do not get me wrong...all for owning a gun for hunting, private use, collecting, etc.
 
There was a study done quite a number of years ago, and who did it might have influenced things a bit, but ways of successfully "defending" yourself ranged just under 50% (talking your way out of it), the least successful, to something in the 70% range (using a gun), the most successful. Everything else ( knife, club/bat, martial arts, etc) fell in between.

These leaves plenty of room for anecdotes of all methods and also shows that guns do not make you injury or attack proof, failing in about 1/4 of all attacks. But a gun is more successful than talking in preventing harm to the victim in a ratio of about 3 to 2.
How many people go to Casinos and try to beat the house odds which way lower than that?

I wish people did not have to live in such fear that they buy a gun out of fear alone.
I do respect, but disagree with politicians and celebrities who have the courage of their convictions to turn in or get rid of their own guns and bodyguards while urging anti-gun laws.
I have nothing but contempt for politicians and celebrities who urge such laws while having guns or bodyguards to protect them. The height of hypocrisy.
 
I bet the young soldier who was beheaded and mutilated on the public street, while the unarmed "Bobbies" watched and waited for armed backup would think differently if he were still alive.

Of course Chris... I rather suspect his regimental pals have a suitable revenge planned.

Ordinary Brits are not prepared for this sort of mindless attack. Usually, its just a punch up and stops at that but, weapons of all sorts are getting onto the streets and attitudes may have to change.

The police need to be armed, I would prefer that, and shoot bastards of a certain religion that attack us...

I'll say no more as its makes me really angry to think that once again we are seen as weak....
 
I'm getting VERY angry at everyone criticizing the emergency response the the Asiana Airlines crash saying they didn't have enough ambulances.....what do you think? they keep 200 ambulances on standby? They did the best they possibly could.
 
The Emergency Services always give their very best Harrison.
The real question is why the crash happened and what can be done to avoid a similar incident in future.

Going back to your post about British Police not being armed. That is a big question, the Police forces on the continent are armed ( I'm pretty sure that's universal) and those countries have the same problems as we do here. So, does having a gun making Policing more effective?

If no one, except special armed units of Police, carrys firearms then its the same as everyone having fire arms. No one has the advantage....

John
 
The Emergency Services always give their very best Harrison.
The real question is why the crash happened and what can be done to avoid a similar incident in future.

Going back to your post about British Police not being armed. That is a big question, the Police forces on the continent are armed ( I'm pretty sure that's universal) and those countries have the same problems as we do here. So, does having a gun making Policing more effective?

If no one, except special armed units of Police, carrys firearms then its the same as everyone having fire arms. No one has the advantage....

John

The pilot claimed he was blinded by a 'bright light' no one else saw. Drugs and alcohol can't be tested for because it isn't a US based airline.
 

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