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Not only music, all of the art forms are pretty pathetic. I think it's part and partial a reflection of the societies themselves. The west shows a growth in nanny states, they tend to kill initiative. Much of art is based on individual perspective. While the west "celebrates" the individual, it also tends to supress them.
Too put it another way, there really isn't much going on across the sphere of creativity. Now, it's either mass produced or corporate sponsored or it is ignored.
Yes there certainly is that dynamic but I think there is a quantifiable lack of strong melody( jumps between 4ths and 5ths in a scale and half step, step and a half movements, ending a motif on a say a 2nd or third then resolving it on a strong note like the 5th in the next expression of the motif or the tonic being 3 examples of this) in most popular music made in the last 20 years or so.What's wrong? It's not what we grew up with.
Well in my opinion with a few notable exceptions your not missing much.I don't know. I never listen to it !
Thanks for the suggestionWell in my opinion with a few notable exceptions your not missing much.
Might want to check out Gorden Goodwin though if you like big band/jazz. His stuff is truly exceptional.
You're very welcome.Thanks for the suggestion
Not entirely. MUSIC by definition is MELODIC. A set of drums and some bass guitars and some Gomer screeching garbled verbiage into a 1000 watt amplifier while he does the Saint Vitus twitch is not music. Neither is the same bass line repeated endlessly until fade.What's wrong? It's not what we grew up with.
That last line really sums it up.Not entirely. MUSIC by definition is MELODIC. A set of drums and some bass guitars and some Gomer screeching garbled verbiage into a 1000 watt amplifier while he does the Saint Vitus twitch is not music. Neither is the same bass line repeated endlessly until fade.
If'n you can't whistle it...It's not music
Not entirely. MUSIC by definition is MELODIC. A set of drums and some bass guitars and some Gomer screeching garbled verbiage into a 1000 watt amplifier while he does the Saint Vitus twitch is not music. Neither is the same bass line repeated endlessly until fade.
If'n you can't whistle it...It's not music
I guess what is good music is subjective and so everything having to do with that subject would be to a degree opinion but i think there is something more to the satement " if you cant hum it it aint music "than just opinion.That is an opinion...
You know whst they say about opinions? They are like assholes, everyone has one.
I guess what is good music is subjective and so everything having to do with that subject would be to a degree opinion but i think there is something more to the satement " if you cant hum it it aint music "than just opinion.
Music has two basic components pitch and time(rythem). A series of pitches no mater how well organized without a coherent rhythm will sound like disjointed noise. Conversely even if you have time (4/4 the most popular in rock music for example) but the series of pitches(notes) is not well thought out you will end up with bland mush. Perhaps even disjointed bland mush.
I think it is the later of the two that discribes all to much of music made in the last 20 years or so.
So if the melody is so weak/ poorly thought out that it is in un humble,ie so bland you cant even pick the melody out yes it may be music( its got pitch, its got rythem) but at least to me it wouldn't be very good music
Of course opinions may differ
I listen to all kinds of rock music, but mostly heavy metal. I prefer the older bands such as Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, etc. Mostly because that is what I grew up with.
Metal bands today have evolved over time to being more extreme. They however still have melody and rhythm.
It is just a matter of opinion and personal taste if one likes that melody and rhythm.
Everything is subjective.
Take Amon Amarth for instance. I am pretty sure I am only person here who will find this song great. I love the melody, rhythm, vocals, etc. I can hum it over and over as you say...
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndu33Uv7Aco
Fair enough. All the bands you mentioned are my mainstays also. Especially Priest and Sabbath. I also like an eclectic mix of clasical ,jazz, big band, pretty much you name it if it's got effective rythem and melody I line it regardless of style. My point was so much of today's music does not but I guess the line between opinion and objective reality is blurred hear but i do think there is a quantifiable deterioration in effective writing in the last few decades at least on popular music.
I liked the music in the song you posted I just don't care for that vocal style but thats a matter of taste. I was more trying to nail down what i feel is blandness of composition that has pervaded the music industry(at least as it pertains to popular music) recently.
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!! A prime example of the title of this thread.Take Amon Amarth for instance.
Nope definition:
noun
- an art of sound in time that expresses ideas in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.
- the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!! A prime example of the title of this thread.
I agree and disagre at the same time. Whatever art speeks to a person is certainly valid in that respect and i would not want to denigrate it( at least not to virantly) but at some point lack of organized tonal variations if you will crosses the line into an objective lessening of musical quality beyond mere taste. ( at least in my opinion)Drawing a line where that point is was what i was referring to as being blurred.There is alot of music I dont personally care for but i recognize is good ie well written but don't see that in alot of the newer popular music( I'm always thinking I can't make out an actual tune hear just sounds). Your point however is well taken that with art of any kind if it works for someone then its good for them at least.There is nothing blurred here. Thats my point. What someone feels is blandness is subjective and opinion.
Music is art. And like with all forms of art, everyone views things differently. Everyone hears and sees things differently. What speaks to you, may not speak to me.
There is no right or wrong answer, just different opinions.