Which side would you fly for?....... (1 Viewer)

[GrauGeist]

They bought a dozen Bf-109 G-6's in 1944 GrauGeist. They impounded some Bf-109F's in 1943.

That's right, forgot about the G-6s...and weren't those actually a trade?

But like I said, the Swiss did operate a number of impounded aircraft, including P-51Ds...which might be a cool subject for a model theme!

 

[Marcel]

I wonder what a/c the Swiss would be attacking the US with in 44, the many Emils on hand or the newly acquired G-6's they had. By 44 they had 6 squadrons of Emils while having only 1 squadron of G-6's.

The G'shardly saw combat, but the Emils were still very active in 1944.

 

[Soundbreaker Welch?]

That's a sweet P-51 camo. Would look great flying over the Alps.

 

[Catch22]

They bought a dozen Bf-109 G-6's in 1944 GrauGeist. They impounded some Bf-109F's in 1943.

They did, but they hardly saw service due to extremely poor workmanship. The Bf 109Es actually stayed in service after the Gs were removed. The Gs served until 1948, while the Es served until 1949.

GG, it was a trade of sorts, the Germans agreed to sell the Swiss the 12 Gs in return for the destruction of an impounded Bf 110 Nightfighter, to avoid the radar being found by the Allies.

 

[snafud1]

Voted allies. I think my sig says it all.

 

[GrauGeist]

...GG, it was a trade of sorts, the Germans agreed to sell the Swiss the 12 Gs in return for the destruction of an impounded Bf 110 Nightfighter, to avoid the radar being found by the Allies.

That's what I was trying to remember!

Thanks man!

 

[Juha]

Hello Catch22
you are right, and it was a deal in which both sides cheated, Swiss allowed British to examine the Bf 110G before destroying it and Germans delivered bad quality 109Gs.

Juha

 

[peterpro]

I choose Axis for a number of reasons:1.My favorite plane,the bf-109.2.The most successful pilots and 3.They are the forgotten "fighters" of WWII

 

[razor1uk]

Forgotten? which model do you mean.

 

[davebender]

In the real world only members of neutral nations such as Sweden get a choice. Everyone else gets drafted into the armed forces of the nation where they are born. If I were fortunate enough to be born in Sweden I might volunteer to fly for Finland. Otherwise I would sit the war out.

Fighting against Soviet invasion of other European nations such as Latvia has some apeal but it's suicide as long as the Soviet Union is supported by Britain and the USA.

 

[Ratsel]

Spain sent volunteers to fight alongside Germans against the Soviet Union in the form of the Blue Division. As the Allies emerged as possible victors, the regime became more neutral, at least in theory, finally declaring its neutrality in July 1943 although the complete removal of Spanish troops from Eastern Front was not completed until March 1944.

 

[parsifal]

I am pretty sure that more than half the blue Div resigned from th spanish army and joined the SS so they could keep fighting.

There was also a squadron of Spanish Me 109s that operated in Russia from memory.

All Spanish units fought in the vicinity of Novgorod. They acquired a very good reputation

 

[Ratsel]

The Blue Squadron was a group of voluntary pilots of Spanish Air Force that during World War II fought next to Luftwaffe (Wehrmacht) in In front Russian to the aid of the Germans with his Legion Condor, during Spanish Civil War. In the Luftwaffe it was denominated to them with the name of 15ª Spanische Staffel, added to 27º Group of Caza (JG27), elite unit to the control of Tungsten von Richtofen (old head of the Legion Condor in the Spanish Civil War). In fact she was not a single squadron, but they were five squadrons who went away standing out between 1941 and 1944, every six months approximately, to fight in the Russian front. Its emblem was based on the emblem of Blue Patrol of Joaquin Garci'a-Morato leader of the national fighter aircraft during the Spanish Civil War. In the nose of the Messerschmitt Bf 109 of 1ª Squadron, the mechanics painted the emblem of the fighter group of Garci'a Morato, accompanied now by a two number Roman, in the case of 1ª Squadron (indicating in this way the second fight of the members of the famous unit against the Comunism); by the Cross of Santiago, in 2ª; mounted on the German cross that she identified to the airplanes of the Luftwaffe, in 3ª; superposed on the symbol of the German hunting (she shoots with an arrow winged, surrounded by a crown of laurels) in 4ª; and with a five number Roman (v) in 5ª, placed in the same position that the II of 1ª.

 

[claidemore]

There were spanish fighters on the Soviet side as well, including pilots.

 

[davebender]

Only during 1936 to 1938. From 1939 onward they were simply communists who chose to move to the Soviet Union. Similiar to Ramon Mercader who left Spain during the late 1930s to work for the NKVD, who employed him to kill Leon Trotsky in Mexico during 1940. Ramon Mercader was a Soviet agent, not a Spanish agent.

 

[Readie]

The British easily had the best aircraft of any nation- including the states (and no-one will convince me otherwise )

They had the:

Spitfire
Hurricane
Mosquito
Gladiator
Firefly
Barracuda
Wellington
Lancaster
Halifax
Swordfish

No nation had an airforce like ours

Top man, of course British is best.
We taught the American's everything they know.
Cheers
John

 

[parsifal]

Only during 1936 to 1938. From 1939 onward they were simply communists who chose to move to the Soviet Union. Similiar to Ramon Mercader who left Spain during the late 1930s to work for the NKVD, who employed him to kill Leon Trotsky in Mexico during 1940. Ramon Mercader was a Soviet agent, not a Spanish agent.

Could be viewed as a spaniard national working for the Soviets. Surely it depends on how they view themselves not so much how we view them.

Australia treated Germans and Italians that had recntly moved to the country prior to the outbreak of the war as Germans or Italians, not as Australians. From memory they were rounded up and put into detention for the duration.

Same eith the US eagle Squadron was it not.....they were Americans, flying for the RAF....

 

[pbfoot]

The British easily had the best aircraft of any nation- including the states (and no-one will convince me otherwise )

They had the:

Spitfire
Hurricane
Mosquito
Gladiator
Firefly
Barracuda
Wellington
Lancaster
Halifax
Corsair (joke 8) )
Swordfish

No nation had an airforce like ours (at this point i need a smiley waving a British flag but there are none )

although i'm sure i missed loads thats just a few that spring to mind

Now alls you need is aircrew

 

[pbfoot]

Same eith the US eagle Squadron was it not.....they were Americans, flying for the RAF....

Just a small clarification a good part of them were Americans in the RCAF i'm quite sure they wouldn't take the substanial drop in pay

 

[davebender]

We have charted our own course since 1776. But we owe Britain a huge debt for getting the USA started on the right foot with respect for capitalism, personal liberty, and representative government.


Perhaps it's just as well we went our own way. What were you Brits thinking, flying aircraft like the Stringbag and Boulton Paul Defiant vs German Me-109s?