solid_snake
Recruit
- 1
- Apr 8, 2005
its all USA, UK russia and even france... whi no one gibes credit to china???? knowing thefact that more than 60% of japanese soildiers killed in action was figthing the chinese not the americans or british
why nobody gibe credit to china???
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kiwimac
Staff Sergeant
Welcome Solid_Snake, I hope you enjoy your time here on ww2 aircraft.net. 
More details please, can you refer us to books and / or websites that will give us more information?
Kiwimac
More details please, can you refer us to books and / or websites that will give us more information?
Kiwimac
evangilder
"Shooter"
I actually have a tremendous amount of respect for the Chinese. They had a heck of a fight and did one hell of a job. My cousin was involved in the Doolittle raid. If the Chinese had not helped him, he may have gotten home, but it would have been much more difficult. The Chinese who helped him knew that if they were caught, it would cost them their lives, yet they did it anyway. It cost many of them just that.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
i must admit i know little about the war in china.........
evangilder
"Shooter"
It is a piece of WWII history that is often not discussed or mentioned. It is kind of odd, because China was invaded very early in the war by the Japanese. China is also the first place the Zero was sent for operations.
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
and what was there to oppose them??
cheddar cheese
Major General
Is this THE Solid Snake? 
I bow down before you, big boss
I bow down before you, big boss
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Anonymous
Guest
We just don't discuss China much here becasue this is the "Aircraft of World War II" forum. China didn't have its own air-force (other than the AVG), and didn't produce its own warplanes. So it is rairly discussed here except w.r.t. the AVG, or incidentally.
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Lunatic
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Lunatic
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
well that explains it........
evangilder
"Shooter"
RG_Lunatic said:
Really?! Then you might want to ask these guys where they were...
Name and number of kills
Li Kwei-Tan 12
Liu Tsui-Kan 11
Lo Chu 11
Chen Jui-tien 6
Chow Ting-fong 6
Huang Shing-Yui 6
Kwang Hsin-Jui 6
Liu Chung-Wu 6
Chu Chin-hsun 5
Hwang Pei-yang 5
This is the list of Chinese aces of WWII. It was made up of planes made in other countries, but they did have an air force. Because you haven't heard about it doesn't mean it didn't exist. Do a google search, you will find quite a bit of info.
In addition to the AVG, there was also a Russian Volunteer Group that rarely gets mentioned. The Chinese had 11 Air Groups, 6 bomber groups and 5 fighter groups.
kiwimac
Staff Sergeant
Evan,
Can you provide some links especially to the chinese aces and to the Russian Volunteer group.
Kiwimac
Can you provide some links especially to the chinese aces and to the Russian Volunteer group.
Kiwimac
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
What aircraft did they fly?
evangilder
"Shooter"
They flew a number of aircraft, a pretty wide variety. They had some french, russian and american planes. They also flew some captured aircraft (A small number). Towards the end of the war, they even flew about 50 P-51s. The lists that I have seen are fairly incomplete and I don't read Chinese, so it is not an easy thing to research. There are also some conflicting numbers and such. Like I said, there is stuff on the web, but be cautious to check it against other sources.
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Anonymous
Guest
Well then this is a good topic for someone to research and present
I look forward to reading it (hint hint).
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Lunatic
I look forward to reading it (hint hint).
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Lunatic
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
sorry it's outside the british empire.............
cheddar cheese
Major General
Well look at this...
The TB-3 heavy bomber was the workhorse of the pre-war Soviet offensive bomber forces. Designed by the Tupolev Design Bureau between 1925-30 it has the distinction of being the first all-metal four-engined monoplane bomber. Between 1932 and 1938 a total of 819 machines were made in four military and two civil modifications.
In August 1937 the Soviet Government determined to offer the Chinese assistance against the Japanese. TB-3 were therefore delivered to the Chinese Air Force. On 20 May 1938 six TB-3 made a flight over Japan to drop leaflets.
Heinkel 111 came to WWII aviation history as one of the best medium-range bomber. But born of future great plane accompanied with big problems and combat service of the first-built planes was very short.
Just after Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of the Third Reich process of breaking of the Versailles Treaty began. But Germany couldn't throw challenge to Britain and France and conception of Bomber aviation creating consist from building transport planes which could be converted to bombers when war started.
On February, 24 1935 first flight of the new plane took place. Flying performances was satisfied and plane returned to factory for improves. Reichsluftahrtministerium at the end of 1935 ordered pre-production batch from 10 aircrafts, which received official name He-111 A. Unlike prototype, He-111A was more heavily (on 520 kg) and cruising speed reduced to 168 mph (270 km/h). New plane admitted unsuitable for Luftwaffe.
This decision was unexpected for Heinkel, who had already initiated the flight testing of much powerful prototype He-111V5.
But in same time Chinese military purchasing commission was in Germany. During China-Japanese boarding conflict they had mandate from Chiang Kai-shek government obtain any bombers.
Soon six He-111A with deleted bomb sights and radio equipment were disassembled and shipped to China by see. At the end of 1936 all six new bombers joined to Chinese air forces.
They were first operationally used in attack against Japanese army near Shanghai, being flown with Martin 139 and Boeing 281 escort planes. Five of the six He-111A participated in this mission but inexperienced Chinese crews forgot lift ventral gunner position and Heinkel fell behind the Martin's and Boeing's. Japanese fighters shot down three of them, other returned to base.
Survived three He-111A still in service until Autumn 1937.
One He-111 was lost in flying accident on 1939, when Chinese gunnerfrom other aircraft shot down him by mistake.
He 111A - the first serial-built modification of famous Luftwaffe medium bomber He 111, which served until the end of World War II. Six of this type were built and all of them were purchased by Chinese government. This plane was not adopted to the Luftwaffe service but all six built aircrafts took part in conflict between China and Japan on late 1936.
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?ICM-72092
The TB-3 heavy bomber was the workhorse of the pre-war Soviet offensive bomber forces. Designed by the Tupolev Design Bureau between 1925-30 it has the distinction of being the first all-metal four-engined monoplane bomber. Between 1932 and 1938 a total of 819 machines were made in four military and two civil modifications.
In August 1937 the Soviet Government determined to offer the Chinese assistance against the Japanese. TB-3 were therefore delivered to the Chinese Air Force. On 20 May 1938 six TB-3 made a flight over Japan to drop leaflets.
Heinkel 111 came to WWII aviation history as one of the best medium-range bomber. But born of future great plane accompanied with big problems and combat service of the first-built planes was very short.
Just after Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of the Third Reich process of breaking of the Versailles Treaty began. But Germany couldn't throw challenge to Britain and France and conception of Bomber aviation creating consist from building transport planes which could be converted to bombers when war started.
On February, 24 1935 first flight of the new plane took place. Flying performances was satisfied and plane returned to factory for improves. Reichsluftahrtministerium at the end of 1935 ordered pre-production batch from 10 aircrafts, which received official name He-111 A. Unlike prototype, He-111A was more heavily (on 520 kg) and cruising speed reduced to 168 mph (270 km/h). New plane admitted unsuitable for Luftwaffe.
This decision was unexpected for Heinkel, who had already initiated the flight testing of much powerful prototype He-111V5.
But in same time Chinese military purchasing commission was in Germany. During China-Japanese boarding conflict they had mandate from Chiang Kai-shek government obtain any bombers.
Soon six He-111A with deleted bomb sights and radio equipment were disassembled and shipped to China by see. At the end of 1936 all six new bombers joined to Chinese air forces.
They were first operationally used in attack against Japanese army near Shanghai, being flown with Martin 139 and Boeing 281 escort planes. Five of the six He-111A participated in this mission but inexperienced Chinese crews forgot lift ventral gunner position and Heinkel fell behind the Martin's and Boeing's. Japanese fighters shot down three of them, other returned to base.
Survived three He-111A still in service until Autumn 1937.
One He-111 was lost in flying accident on 1939, when Chinese gunnerfrom other aircraft shot down him by mistake.
He 111A - the first serial-built modification of famous Luftwaffe medium bomber He 111, which served until the end of World War II. Six of this type were built and all of them were purchased by Chinese government. This plane was not adopted to the Luftwaffe service but all six built aircrafts took part in conflict between China and Japan on late 1936.
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?ICM-72092
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Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
wow didn't know about them being used in china..........
cheddar cheese
Major General
Me neither...
the lancaster kicks ass
Major General
- 19,937
- Dec 20, 2003
so how'd you find out, were you looking for something else or them in particualr??
cheddar cheese
Major General
I was looking for aircraft used in China during WW2, and that came up. I could look for more but I cant be bothered, at least that shows I tried 
