why nobody gibe credit to china???

[the lancaster kicks ass]

what about fighters though??

 

[cheddar cheese]

I am NOT your slave

Ill have a look.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

you do that..........

 

[cheddar cheese]

On a video I have about the P-40 it talks about the service it did with the "Flying Tigers" whilst in China. One fact I can remember is that when the numbers of P-40's were getting low, Chinese craftsmen carved replicas out of wood and were painted, so as to look like they had many P-40's left.

 

[kiwimac]

Fighters used in China During ww2

Fighter Aircraft
Armstrong Whitworth A.W.35 Scimitar* (13?)
Breda Ba.27* (30, 11 known to have been delivered)
^Bregeut Bre.19* (74)
Curtiss Hawk 75 H, M (113)
Curtiss Hawk 75Q#* (2)
Curtiss 68C Hawk III* (102)
Curtiss 81-A3 (P-40C Tomahawk)* (100 AVG)
Curtiss 87-V (P-40N Warhawk)* (?)
Curtiss Wright CW.21 (30 - many not completed)
^Fiat CR.30* (2)
^Fiat CR.32* (16)
Gloster Gladiator Mk I* (36)
North American P-51D Mustang* (50)
Polikarpov I 15bis* (185, plus 4 Soviet Squadrons)
Polikarpov I 153* (93)
Polikarpov I 16 type 10, I 16UTI* (250+, plus 2 Soviet squadrons)
Vultee V-48C Vanguard* (129)

Source: http://users.senet.com.au/~mhyde/ww2_aircraft_china.htm#fighter

Bomber, Ground Attack and Torpedo Aircraft

Curtiss A12 Shrike* (20)
Curtiss Wright CW-19R* (20)
Heinkel He 111
Ilyushin DB-3* (?)
Lockheed B-14L Hudson* (?)
Martin B-10B* (9)
North American B-25 Mitchell* (?)
Northrop Gamma 2B (24 imported and 25 assembled in China)
Tuplev ANT 40 SB* (200)
Vultee V-11G* (30)
Vultee V-12C (13)
Vultee V-12D (52 - not all completed)

Transport, Reconnaissiance and Communication Aircraft

Curtiss Wright C-46 Commando* (?)
Douglas C-47 Dakota* (?)
Focke-Wulf FW 58* (?)
Mitsubishi Ki 57* (captured)
Republic RP-43 Lancer* (?)


Training Aircraft

Avro 626 Prefect* (9)
Avro 621 Tutor* (5)
Breda Ba.28* (18)
Fleet 10C, D and licensed assembly* (56)
North American AT-6 Havard* (85)

Source: ibid

Oh and BTW this will explain the markings used in the above information

a caret - ^ -indicates that the type was used during the Sino/Japanese war but not subsequently in WW2.
· an asterisk - * - indicates that the aircraft type was not manufactured or assembled by this operator. It may have been imported, captured, impressed or supplied under lend-lease.
· a hash - # - indicates that the aircraft type was experimental, or series production did not occur.

Kiwimac

 

[Gemhorse]

Yep, I recall they got some Curtiss Hawk 75's early on, and have read a little of the Jap-China War in 1939....The Japs were also having a go at the Russians too, somewhere around this time.....

Great new siggy, CC !!!

Yours too, Kiwimac...[love to know how you get them moving.....]

And Evan, a very tidy Yak, complementary to the Restoration guys...

Gemhorse

 

[evangilder]

The problem with researching the Chinese AF of WWII is that there is some info out there, but some of the sources conflict. I don't read Chinese and the people I know that do wouldn't be much help as alot of the technical jargon that they would not understand. Perhaps I could research that in the future for a presentation, but the schedule for the year is already booked up. I will see when I can get to that. It's a big project to get the proper and correct info for.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

i wouldn't even know where to start

but great lists there, and you can't help but feel sorry for the poor buggers at times

 

[GT]

Update.

 

[mosquitoman]

They really didn't have good equipment but if some pilots were getting kills out of these obsolescent planes they must have been good

 

[evangilder]

They certainly were. I guess you were either a great pilot or a target. Could you imagine the damage these guys could have done with some more modern planes? Although they did get some mustangs late in the war.

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

but you have to remember they wouldn't all be brilliant pilots, many of them were proberly shot down with ease..........

 

[mosquitoman]

As is the case with all air arms

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

sorry i just thought i'd point that out as everyone was saying how amazing they were..........

 

[cheddar cheese]

But they were amazing if the were taking people out with old, obsolescent biplanes...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

yes but i'm just trying to say they wouldn't have all been amazing, some of them would have been quite easy to shoot down...........

 

[Nonskimmer]

Well that only stands to reason, don't it?

 

[cheddar cheese]

Well of course, like MM said, its the same with all air arms. However that doesnt detract from the fact that they were very capable pilots...

 

[the lancaster kicks ass]

yes bvut everyone was saying how amazing they ALL were, yes some were amazing, i was simply saying they wouldn't all have been............

 

[cheddar cheese]

Actually no-one said they were ALL amazing...

MM said "...but if some pilots were getting kills out of these obsolescent planes..."

and evan said "I guess you were either a great pilot or a target"