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"... Most of them refused repatriation in the POW exchange as they thought it disgrace to be known as POWs.
They stayed behind in Russia as Soviet citizens."

That, Shin, is putting the kindest possible light on the subject. My only source is Coox, granted, but he was deeply immersed in Japanese life and values ....His Nomonhan is exclusively about the IJA side of the event.

Paraphrasing, here is what he understands happened in POW negotiations with the Soviets:
In the last days of shooting Zhukov's armored forces surrounded large chunks of IJA, meanwhile, the IJA was holding very few Russian soldiers (the Russians feared being taken prisoner and would save a grenade for themselves).

The Soviets 'suggested' a prisoner swap .... on a one-for-one basis ... and the IJA (stupidly, IMO) agreed to that arrangement. When the swap took place the IJA showed up with their 400 odd Russian soldiers, the Soviets took note of the count and said "right .... we'll go and get you yours" and they came back with the matching number of IJA prisoners. All unaccounted prisoners were declared "dead" and no one knows the real numbers, IIRC, that went into slavery.

Coox states that IJA officers that were swapped were de-briefed by their IJA brass and then left alone in a room with a loaded revolver on the table. Their suicide being reported as a glorious battlefield death.

Knowing that history about the Soviets ... learned so painfully ... I can't believe any Japanese leader would ever trust Stalin .... to negotiate peace with America, really!
 
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Thank you very much for your so kind and informative description by Coox. Very interesting.
The IJA officers who were given a loaded revolver would have wanted to stay behind in Russia too.

Japanese government trusted Stalin in August 1945.
Because of this "fact", Japanese government can ask Russia to return its 4 northern islands which have been "illegally" occupied by Soviet Union and are known as "disputed islands" today.

History is not over yet
 
The town of Berwick in UK is still at war with Germany, happily for Germany they have no plans to invade at present.
I thought that Germany surrendered to Berwick in 1987?
There was a formal treaty signed between Berwick and Russia in 1966 formally ending the Crimean war!

And isn't the Isle of Man still at war with Imperial Germany (since 1914)?
 
Even though there was a Soviet emissary aboard the Missouri during Japan's formal surrender, they didn't sign the document - Japan and Russia are *technically* still at war.

Yes, I have just reconfirmed that the two countries are technically still at war as Soviet Union did not participate in the ceremony for Treaty of Peace with Japan held in San Francisco dated September 8, 1951. The treaty says -

Article 1

(a) The state of war between Japan and each of the Allied Powers is terminated as from the date on which the present Treaty comes into force between Japan and the Allied Power concerned as provided for in Article 23.

Article 23

(a) The present Treaty shall be ratified by the States which sign it, including Japan, and will come into force for all the States which have then ratified it, when instruments of ratification have been deposited by Japan and by a majority, including the United States of America as the principal occupying Power, of the following States, namely Australia, Canada, Ceylon, France, Indonesia, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Republic of the Philippines, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America. The present Treaty shall come into force for each State which subsequently ratifies it, on the date of the deposit of its instrument of ratification.

Original text
 
Sorry but I should have reconfirmed this joint declaration too.

Joint Declaration by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan
(in Moscow)
October 19, 1956

1 . The state of war between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Japan shall cease on the date on which this Declaration enters into force and peace, friendship and good-neighbourly relations between them shall be restored.

Original text

I'll be more careful in the future.
Thanks.
 
I've been singing the praises of Alvin Coox' book Nomonhan, here's some perspective on the man and his contribution to modern history:

''Nomonhan was one of the most important battles of World War II, because it bloodied the Japanese, and they remained fearful of the Soviet Union and decided that the Americans would be an easier target,'' said Dr. Chalmers Johnson, president of the Japan Policy Research Institute and former chairman of the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of California at Berkeley. ''It was a classic blunder.

''But it led to a determination of the policy pursued by the Axis powers in World War II. The genius of Professor Coox was to recognize what a critically decisive battle it was to World War II. It was every bit as important as Stalingrad.'' [Obituary, New Tork Times]
*****
"Dr. Coox told colleagues that his book on Nomonhan was a result of 35 years of research and more than 400 interviews.[1] Nomonhan was a "nearly forgotten moment in history," wrote John H. Boyle in his review in the Journal of Asian Studies. Coox "reconstructed the Japanese folly at Nomonhan in all of its political, military, and human dimensions to produce a masterful study that will stand as a model of scholarship for military historians." He showed that the Japanese army "did not know and did not want to know about enemy capabilities," and that the Japanese decision makers were so shaken by the defeat that they turned their strategic emphasis away from the Soviet Union in the north to opportunities in the south. "

In my mind, understanding the 20th Century begins with appreciating how transformational the 1904-05 Russo-Japan war really was ... for the Japanese and for the Caucasian West. I'd appreciate your views on that aspect of our discussion, Shin.

My taste in reading .... not shown "Empire of the Rising Sun", John Toland
 
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Our historical flow after Nomonhan could be -

1. IJA carried out Kwantung Army Special Maneuvers with its fullest scale of 750,000 troops in Manchuria in July 1941, a month after German-USSR War broke out, and this is said delayed the transfer of Soviet troops from Far East to Europe.
2. Japanese leaders decided the attack of Pearl Harbor in October 1941 because of the perfect oil embargo by the U.S in August.
3. 750,000 troops in Manchuria was obliged to be divided into two or three for the southern front to secure oil.

How did Coox understand these matters ?
 
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Coox doesn't include events after the negotiated non aggression treaty with the Russians so his views aren't described. Remember Shin, the 2 quotes in my post are other writers describing Coox' work.
 
"... In my mind, understanding the 20th Century begins with appreciating how transformational the 1904-05 Russo-Japan war really was ..."

Hey Shin, , are you willing to talk about understanding 1904-05 war in your country with me?
 

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