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Because it's not as simple as what you're trying to make it. You don't even understand that there are different types of stalls and configurations and that manual is not addressing those configurations and you continue to NOT under stand the bigger picture either by ignorance or stubbornness - typical armchair response. I believe it's exactly as simple as I'm making it: the report (not a manual) investigated stalls in the landing configuration with gear and flaps down, landing approach with gear and flaps down, climbing with gear and flaps up, cruising with gear and flaps up, gliding with gear and flaps up and takeoff emergency. In any condition at any time after the stall occurred recovery could be effected promptly by applying down elevator. There was no warning but recovery was prompt and easy.
Are you asking me to leave or banning me from the forum? For pointing out information that people on here obviously did not know?Because it's not as simple as what you're trying to make it. You don't even understand that there are different types of stalls and configurations and that manual is not addressing those configurations and you continue to NOT under stand the bigger picture either by ignorance or stubbornness - typical armchair response.
We are/ were having a grown up discussion but its YOU who continually tries to second guess some of us who have flown and worked on aircraft, some of these folks are former military pilots and ATPs who have hundreds if not thousands of hours flying. Your "hands on" aviation experience?????? I have no hands on experience. How many P-39s have you flown?
No - you're creating your own firestorm by some of your own assumptions and refusing to listen to real world experience. If this is too overwhelming for you I can suggest one thing.... Hardly a firestorm, just immature insults by some members. I have never insulted anyone on this board or ever told anyone that they didn't know what they were talking about.
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We are/ were having a grown up discussion but its YOU who continually tries to second guess some of us who have flown and worked on aircraft, some of these folks are former military pilots and ATPs who have hundreds if not thousands of hours flying. Your "hands on" aviation experience??????
No - you're creating your own firestorm by some of your own assumptions and refusing to listen to real world experience. If this is too overwhelming for you I can suggest one thing....
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This is turning into the Lancaster as an Atom Bomber thread. Pretty soon they'll be hanging a Fat Man under a P-39, claiming it has no detrimental impact on its aerodynamics because a turret's been removed and flying it from Okinawa to successfully bomb Nagasaki... Anything I missed?
That is hardly an exhaustive list of configurations. Straight and level or turning? How many G's? Accelerated or not?See above.
Please don't lock this thread....if we can't get in, who will look after the groundhogs? I'm worried about those little critters.
My whole reference was what I posted from the manual (Post 397) but considering you want to ignore that and use other references that are now more detailed, I'll play -I believe it's exactly as simple as I'm making it: the report (not a manual) investigated stalls in the landing configuration with gear and flaps down, landing approach with gear and flaps down, climbing with gear and flaps up, cruising with gear and flaps up, gliding with gear and flaps up and takeoff emergency. In any condition at any time after the stall occurred recovery could be effected promptly by applying down elevator. There was no warning but recovery was prompt and easy.
I have no hands on experience. How many P-39s have you flown?
Are you asking me to leave or banning me from the forum? For pointing out information that people on here obviously did not know?
That is hardly an exhaustive list of configurations. Straight and level or turning? How many G's? Accelerated or not?
Most aircraft will behave differently in an accelerated stall than with a slow approach.
You made up that little chart, really good info. Otherwise not much new. You sure are quick to assume somebody doesn't know something.Exactly! And if our friend would care to listen, maybe we can teach him something (like the way we taught him weight and balance)
Because by some of your statements to me and others on here it's evident when you don't know something and trying to fake it!You made up that little chart, really good info. Otherwise not much new. You sure are quick to assume somebody doesn't know something.
I don't think anyone has said you don't know something. However, you don't have the experience in order to be able to put that knowledge into some sort of context.Because by some of your statements to me and others on here it's evident when you don't know something!
Because by some of your statements to me and others on here it's evident when you don't know something!
And by the way - Greg made that chartYou made up that little chart, really good info. Otherwise not much new. You sure are quick to assume somebody doesn't know something.
I have no idea why this is difficult to understand, our whole lives is built on warnings. Imagine if things didn't bend just broke, dogs didn't bark they just bit you. Imagine arguing that cars with no lights, no horn, a silent engine on roads with no signs wouldn't be a problem.No stall warning is a horrible trait to have on any aircraft!
Want some real fun? Try a .45 call roundball flintlock Kentucky with 1 in 66 twist! Lots of stalking and patience goes with the territory, but you'll also have to guess which way the critter will jump when the pan flashes, as he'll already be in motion when your ball gets there. Not for the instant gratification crowd, but a real kick when you do score.Looking after groundhogs is easy, I use a .17 or .22 Hornet, or a .221 Fireball, or a .204 Ruger, but I've also used 6mm Remington, .308 Winchester, and the ever popular .223 and .22/250s. I've even used the .22 and .17 rimfires, which add stalking skills and patience to the mix. Groundhogs are fun.
I'm worried about those little critters.
Nothing needs proving. These are known facts to anyone who has the background, the training, and the need or desire to know and understand them. They exist whether you accept and acknowledge them or not. They are more easily absorbed by someone who has hands on experience in flight, but they aren't rocket science, and can be comprehended by anyone willing to make the effort.Yet again, you're going an awfully long way here and you are not proving anything, except to tell me that I don't understand something. Please keep insulting me, it's always appreciated. Your example is applicable to any WWII fighter plane, including those with abysmal stalling characteristics.
I stand corrected, but we can agree on the sirens...doesn't make all that much noise; just a sort of a "whump" (unless you're real close to ground zero). I've heard that sound five times, which is five times too many. One time, I even mistook it for the closing of the baggage door on a nearby Twin Otter.
Which part of:-See above.