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....and as we all know, the 'daddy' of the USN, was a Scot, riiiiiight? 
A Queen question for our British cousins. (actually everyone, but them, mostly)
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meatloaf109
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John Paul Jones?....and as we all know, the 'daddy' of the USN, was a Scot, riiiiiight?
I didn't know the bass player for Led Zeppelin was a Scot!
yulzari
Tech Sergeant
I think Parliament's view was no representation without taxation. They were fed up with paying for troops to defend America when America wasn't paying anything and causing most of the need for defence. In fact taxation was a local matter and people had representation to their own governor whose administration made the laws. A substantial number of MPs in Britain felt that Britain should not be subsidising the colonists any longer and they should be cast adrift to look after themselves (the Belizean solution). The restraint on them was the expectation that the French would move in instead. Vive l'Amerique Francais! Exit Elvis Presley, enter Johnnie Halliday!
My favourite reference to the Second American Civil War is that it proved English amateurs could beat German professionals in open combat.
Had Loyalist Americans not lost that civil war then the expansion of the 13 colonies would have been stopped and Middle America would become French and the West Spanish. The Canadians had best learn Quebequois French for la belle colonie de France from Hudson's Bay to the Gulf of Mexico. Alaskans would need to practice their Russian. For Mexicans, you are in your own country all the way from Yucatan to Seattle. If you are a native American/First People then you are still buggered anyway; sorry.
My favourite reference to the Second American Civil War is that it proved English amateurs could beat German professionals in open combat.
Had Loyalist Americans not lost that civil war then the expansion of the 13 colonies would have been stopped and Middle America would become French and the West Spanish. The Canadians had best learn Quebequois French for la belle colonie de France from Hudson's Bay to the Gulf of Mexico. Alaskans would need to practice their Russian. For Mexicans, you are in your own country all the way from Yucatan to Seattle. If you are a native American/First People then you are still buggered anyway; sorry.
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meatloaf109
1st Lieutenant
I've been to Canada.
Nice folks.
michaelmaltby
Colonel
I've been to North Carolina.
Nice folks.
MM
Canada: Home of Ethical Oil
Nice folks.
MM
Canada: Home of Ethical Oil
michaelmaltby
Colonel
America loses the War of Independence - alternate history - Google: America loses War of Independence - Alternate History Discussion Board
"... Had Loyalist Americans not lost that civil war then the expansion of the 13 colonies would have been stopped and Middle America would become French and the West Spanish. The Canadians had best learn Quebequois French for la belle colonie de France from Hudson's Bay to the Gulf of Mexico. Alaskans would need to practice their Russian. For Mexicans, you are in your own country all the way from Yucatan to Seattle. If you are a native American/First People then you are still buggered anyway; sorry ..."
Interesting musings, yulzari from france. They your own?
MM
Proud Loyalist Canadian
"... Had Loyalist Americans not lost that civil war then the expansion of the 13 colonies would have been stopped and Middle America would become French and the West Spanish. The Canadians had best learn Quebequois French for la belle colonie de France from Hudson's Bay to the Gulf of Mexico. Alaskans would need to practice their Russian. For Mexicans, you are in your own country all the way from Yucatan to Seattle. If you are a native American/First People then you are still buggered anyway; sorry ..."
Interesting musings, yulzari from france. They your own?
MM
Proud Loyalist Canadian
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Messy1
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Interesting MM!
yulzari
Tech Sergeant
There are many ways to read alternative histories.
Had Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld been a boy then he would have ruled Hannover as well as Britain etc. and Prussian expansion would have been thwarted in the west, thus no Franco-Prussian war, WW1 or WW2. Britain would still remain ruled by Germans though....
My favourite remains Harald Sigurdsson winning the Battle of Stamford Bridge, defeating Wilhelm the Bastard in Kent with a combined English and Norwegian/Danish army and England remaining within the Scandinavian sphere.
I have yet to meet an unpleasant Canadian.
Had Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld been a boy then he would have ruled Hannover as well as Britain etc. and Prussian expansion would have been thwarted in the west, thus no Franco-Prussian war, WW1 or WW2. Britain would still remain ruled by Germans though....
My favourite remains Harald Sigurdsson winning the Battle of Stamford Bridge, defeating Wilhelm the Bastard in Kent with a combined English and Norwegian/Danish army and England remaining within the Scandinavian sphere.
I have yet to meet an unpleasant Canadian.
The other way around. No taxation without representation. The American colonists were obviously not represented.
With regards to the English problem,Kings were used to calling parliaments whenever it suited them,usually with a view to raising money (by taxation). By the early/mid 1600s we'd had enough of that and had to show the King who was really in charge by the simple expedient of beheading him. A new phrase entered the language after the restoration,"Constitutional Monarchy". Strange for a state with no written constitution!
Even today the monarch does not enter the House of Commons. At the State Opening she sends an official (Black Rod) to summon MPs to the House of Lords. There is a nice bit of theatre when the door to The Commons is slammed in her official's face. A gesture which gives hope to the republican minority
An Act of Parliament does not have to have Royal Assent to become law anymore either though this formality is usually observed. Parliament makes the law,Charles I must be spinning in his grave.
Cheers
Steve
Messy1
Master Sergeant
How about this scenario along the line of your what if as to Princess Victoria being born a boy. What if Hitler had been born a girl? Would WW2 still occured? These scenarios can go on and on, with no real end in sight, and no realistic scenario as to how it would have changed history.
Wouldn't he have destroyed the "English" army to win at Stamford Bridge? Difficult to see the remnants joining him. We English usually remember him by his epiphet "Hardrada" (from Icelandic sources) rather than his family name.
Why in Kent? Any amphibious landing is best defeated at the point of disembarcation which in William's case was in Sussex.
Are you allowing Harald more time to make his way South through potentially hostile territory?
Cheers
Steve
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
And you can get proper bacon,back bacon,not the fatty,streaky stuff you tend to get in the US.
I even got a recognisable pork pie in Canada once,I wish I could remember where
Cheers
Steve
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
And you can get proper bacon,back bacon,not the fatty,streaky stuff you tend to get in the US.
I even got a recognisable pork pie in Canada once,I wish I could remember where
Cheers
Steve
Not in Quebec I'd hazard a guess Steve...
Readie
Chief Master Sergeant
We are preparing for the Diamond Jubilee with the newly build Royal Barge ready for testing in the Thames and the invitations for the select few to Buckingham Palace are in the post.
I looking forward more to this than the Olympics to be honest.
It'll be great to celebrate with our global friends
John
I looking forward more to this than the Olympics to be honest.
It'll be great to celebrate with our global friends
John
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
Everyone one around here is talking about the Diamond Jubilee
Actually it is a non event
Airframes
Benevolens Magister
Yep, a bit like watching ice hockey. Glad I don't have a TV.
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
You don't need Television when your sports are cricket and footie , the games happen at the same pace as a 6 year old reading
A4K
Brigadier General
You never played footie if you believe that.
pbfoot
1st Lieutenant
ypu believe what you want to believe it in comparison it is a slow boring game with lots of gay diving
