"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (7 Viewers)

GTX · Jun 30, 2023

Escuadrilla Azul said:
Unsurprising given Lula position leaning towards Moscow.

I don't why leftist goverments think that a proPutin or neutral view in this war is ok.

I don't think it is so much leftist governments since there are plenty who are pro-ukraine and providing military support. Rather there are some misguided ones who are anti what they would class as imperialist/colonial (e.g. USA, UK etc) and then play into the theme of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" style thinking. It isn't quite that clear cut/strong but I hope you get what I mean. You see it is Africa too. The likes of Russian/Chinese propaganda plays a part as well.

SaparotRob · Jun 30, 2023

GTX said:
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Putin's body double goes out and meets the crowd. If there's an assassination attempt, the FSB lets it succeed. The FSB gets the killer and the real Putin gets out of dodge, Hague free.
OR the FSB lets the attempt succeed and the FSB offs the real Putin and they replace him. No Hague involved.

Escuadrilla Azul · Jun 30, 2023

GTX said:
I don't think it is so much leftist governments since there are plenty who are pro-ukraine and providing military support. Rather there are so misguided ones who are anti what they would class as imperialist/colonial (e.g. USA, UK etc) and then play into the theme of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" style thinking. It isn't quite that clear cut/strong but I hope you get what I mean. You see it is Africa too. The likes of Russian/Chinese propaganda plays a part as well.

Yes, that was I just what I want to mean

GTX · Jun 30, 2023

RogerdeLluria said:
Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse

archived 26 Jun 2023 23:37:26 UTC

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Yes, definitely

View: https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1674655820494041090

Admiral Beez · Jun 30, 2023

GTX said:
Human Rights Watch reports new evidence of Ukrainian use of banned landmines

Human Rights Watch says it has found new evidence of the indiscriminate use by Ukrainian forces of banned anti-personnel landmines against Russian troops.

www.abc.net.au

If you're laying land mines in your own country, what difference does it matter? Surely a nation needn't concern itself with what HRW think?

RogerdeLluria · Jun 30, 2023

I don't know what to believe anymore ...

View: https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1674875070731124736

Denniss · Jun 30, 2023

RogerdeLluria said:
I don't know what to believe anymore ...

please add a short summary for us poor souls without a Twitter account as we are currently unable to access anything there.

GrauGeist · Jun 30, 2023

GTX said:
She is obviously there to help bring attention to a serious issue that will have to be addressed in the future - that of the environmental consequences of the war and what will be required in the future. I know some people feel threatened by her but she is well recognised globally for her environmental activism which helps bring appropriate focus to this issue. Comments such as those above are just pathetic.

Than where was she during the Syrian war or the ongoing conflicts in Africa (including the cobalt mining that's an environmental disaster)?

She is nothing more than a tool: she has no formal education in any of the fields she's representing.

Appearing in the Ukraine is just convenient for photo opportunities - Ukrainians need help all across the board (food, medicine, clothing and military gear), not loud children.
Save that for later.

manta22 · Jun 30, 2023

GTX said:
She is obviously there to help bring attention to a serious issue that will have to be addressed in the future - that of the environmental consequences of the war and what will be required in the future. I know some people feel threatened by her but she is well recognised globally for her environmental activism which helps bring appropriate focus to this issue. Comments such as those above are just pathetic.

If someone is about to lose a war and die, does the "environment" mean a lot to them?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Jun 30, 2023

Lets not turn this into a political side discussion.

MiTasol · Jun 30, 2023

Denniss said:
please add a short summary for us ~~poor~~ lucky souls without a Twitter account as we are currently unable to access anything there.

Corrected

SaparotRob · Jun 30, 2023

Admiral Beez said:
If you're laying land mines in your own country, what difference does it matter? Surely a nation needn't concern itself with what HRW think?

I have no doubts at all that the AFU will be far more circumspect about who, what and where they target. Ukraine tries to preserve the lives of its citizens. Russian leadership, however, has shown extreme disregard for life, human or Russian.

MiTasol · Jun 30, 2023

And you can bet your life that Ukraine has mapped those minefields so they can clear them safely after the Russians are gone.

SaparotRob · Jun 30, 2023

MiTasol said:
And you can bet your life that Ukraine has mapped those minefields so they can clear them safely after the Russians are gone.

Or at least made the effort. It's hard to remember you are there to drain the swamp when you are up to your neck in alligators.

Admiral Beez · Jun 30, 2023

MiTasol said:
And you can bet your life that Ukraine has mapped those minefields so they can clear them safely after the Russians are gone.

No, many land mines are artillery fired and will be time consuming to find.

When the war is over essentially the entirely of the Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea oblasts will need to be divided into grids and searched and de-mined square meter by square meter.

Thumpalumpacus · Jun 30, 2023

Admiral Beez said:
If you're laying land mines in your own country, what difference does it matter? Surely a nation needn't concern itself with what HRW think?

And they also, presumably, have mapped where the mines are laid -- at least generally, obvs.

ETA:

MiTasol hit it first, good call.

Thumpalumpacus · Jun 30, 2023

GTX said:
She is obviously there to help bring attention to a serious issue that will have to be addressed in the future - that of the environmental consequences of the war and what will be required in the future. I know some people feel threatened by her but she is well recognised globally for her environmental activism which helps bring appropriate focus to this issue. Comments such as those above are just pathetic.

Quite frankly, while I'm onboard with changing how we address ecology, my joke was aimed more at the goddamned sanctimony. "Threatened"? No, and trying to impute that to me is laughable.

I was pretty aware of the issue long before little Greta came along, and didn't need her preachments to alert me to the issue, thankyouverymuch.

MiTasol · Jun 30, 2023

Admiral Beez · Jun 30, 2023

Thumpalumpacus said:
While China may be able to get Putin to start negotiating, I doubt they'll be able to convince Ukraine to lay down arms after the last fourteen months. Unless and until China can deliver that, this probably won't go anywhere.

China plays the long game.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pz8qsDw5DX4

Thumpalumpacus · Jun 30, 2023

Admiral Beez said:
China plays the long game.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pz8qsDw5DX4

I'm getting ready to to go to bed, but to address the first point in this video, that China wants to split the West, and that this may be a benefit, I'm thinking that horse has done left the barn. This war has drawn the West closer, and has seen NATO gain one member and have another on the doorstep.

I'd also argue that the West is probably more prepared to be united against a Chinese move against Taiwan.

I'll watch the rest tomorrow and reply once I've done that.

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