manta22
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Where is Klaus von Stauffenburg when we need him?
"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)
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Admiral Beez
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My enemy's enemy is my friend.
How a boot-stealing street thug turned a chance meeting with Putin into a spectacular Russian rise
Once a petty criminal who served time in a Russian penal colony for stealing a woman's boots off her feet, Yevgeny Prigozhin cut a ruthless path to power. His end may have been just as violent.
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Admiral Beez
Major
Nice! Let's now take a detailed look at the next significant target on the way to Melitopol, the Russian-fortified town of Tokmak.
A 3D Look at Tokmak
I haven’t had much time to do these diaries lately, so this will have to be fast. Hopefully we’ll see a big push in the south now that Ukraine has taken Robotyne and many eyes are turning to Tokmak. I know that this may be a ways away yet, but one can...
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I wonder if the UAF will fight for Tokmak in a Stalingrad (or Bakhmut) like meat grinder, or encircle the town, neutralize its offensive capability through bombardment and starvation, and carry on to Melitopol. The risk of the latter is that with a Russian-held Tokmak in its rear Ukraine's own logistics train is at greater risk of being cut off, whereas an UAF-held Tokmak could serve as a forward logistics hub to support the Melitopol operation.
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GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
If Ukraine forces surround and bypass Tokmak, there's not much the Red Army can do, but be spectators from their positions.
If they try and peek their heads out, stationed Ukraine elements will poke at them.
Ukraine is gaining momentum, I seriously doubt that getting mired down in a door-to-door brawl is part of their plans.
If they try and peek their heads out, stationed Ukraine elements will poke at them.
Ukraine is gaining momentum, I seriously doubt that getting mired down in a door-to-door brawl is part of their plans.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Not when they include war criminals. Zelenskyy wouldn't survive the scandal.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Any member of Wagner Group found on Ukraine proper has an extremely low life expectancy.
If they join the Free Russian partisans, they'll have to operate from Belarus or Russia itself or risk a necktie party.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
Nice! Let's now take a detailed look at the next significant target on the way to Melitopol, the Russian-fortified town of Tokmak.
A 3D Look at Tokmak
I haven’t had much time to do these diaries lately, so this will have to be fast. Hopefully we’ll see a big push in the south now that Ukraine has taken Robotyne and many eyes are turning to Tokmak. I know that this may be a ways away yet, but one can...www.dailykos.com
I wonder if the UAF will fight for Tokmak in a Stalingrad (or Bakhmut) like meat grinder, or encircle the town, neutralize its offensive capability through bombardment and starvation, and carry on to Melitopol. The risk of the latter is that with a Russian-held Tokmak in its rear Ukraine's own logistics train is at greater risk of being cut off, whereas an UAF-held Tokmak could serve as a forward logistics hub to support the Melitopol operation.
Look at the road-net; it's scanty. Encirclement will be tough and costly. It looks like the best move is to skirt Tokmak by following the P37 highway, cutting it from the east, and thereby forcing a retreat onto Melitopol. Getting behind that retreat would require a serious off-road effort, which might work. Perhaps work around the Russian left flank and build up a little, and only then cut the communications to the east.
Ukraine cannot afford another meatgrinder.
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Thumpalumpacus
Major
There's that, too. But first, being Russian, I'm sure they will be vetted. And then imprisoned.
A kill is a kill.
Snautzer01
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Ancient aussie weapon. Bit less advanced then the boomerang.
Thumpalumpacus
Major
They're not just all bark, apparently.
drgondog
Major
Sadly, I don't think they survived the last meatgrinder.
They are definitely getting to the root of the problem.
