"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)

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It was REAL??? LOL! Brilliant! The benefits of a post-secondary education.....
 
Admiral Beez said:
I'd love to see that. As a Canadian I'd get to experience some Dutch charm. It's closer than Sint Maarten.
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Ah, you're Canadian. Sorry, my bad. Should have checked before I wrote that post.

But I think Dimlee said it best. Ukraine has coped with losing the Crimea for more than 10 years, but Russia doesn't stop. Just coping with loss of land therefore does not seem to be a viable option. I think you're naive in thinking just giving up and then joining NATO will even be a possible solution.
 

The underlying and unasked question is "What would appease Putin?"

I think nothing short of the destruction of Ukraine and its absorption into Russia would sate him ... for the time being.

You never reward criminal behavior.
 
On the subject of appeasement:
Let's not forget these recent documents.

Putin’s plan for a new Russian Empire includes both Ukraine and Belarus

A leaked document detailing Russia's plans to absorb Belarus highlights the scale of Vladimir Putin's imperial ambitions and provides insights into the true objectives behind the invasion of Ukraine, writes Taras Kuzio.
www.atlanticcouncil.org

Russia's secret plans for Baltic states exposed

The Kremlin wants to reduce NATO's presence in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, while simultaneously strengthening Russian influence and culture.
www.newsweek.com

And this:

 
In a major policy change, the Biden administration will now allow U.S. contractors on the ground in Ukraine to help its military maintain and repair some of the $61 billion worth of weapons donated by America, CNN reported. In particular, the shift is designed to help keep F-16 Vipers and Patriot air defense batteries in working order.

Until this decision, the Biden administration has allowed only a small number of U.S. troops in Ukraine, mainly to help keep tabs on U.S. donated equipment, but no Defense Department (DoD) civilian contractors. However, there are a number of U.S. contractors working in Ukraine directly for that country.

The move was approved earlier this month, CNN reported, citing "an official with direct knowledge."

"In order to help Ukraine repair and maintain military equipment provided by the US and its allies, DoD is soliciting bids for a small number of contractors who will help Ukraine maintain the assistance we've already provided," a defense official told the network.

Continuing its sensitivity toward escalating the conflict and angering Moscow, the Biden administration won't allow those contractors anywhere near the fighting.

U.S. Contractors Will Be Allowed To Fix F-16s, Patriots In Ukraine: Report

Allowing U.S. personnel to work on donated equipment in Ukraine represents a major policy shift by the outgoing Biden administration.
www.twz.com

This is infuriating. All these new decisions, $6b in aid, allowing contractors to repair American gear, they could have been made at this time last year. I suspect I know why but cannot approach it within the scope of our rules.

ETA: On rereading this, I realized that no, the $6b couldn't have been released last year as it was tied up in Congress. Apologies for the error.
 
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