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Apparently there was a US intel aircraft in the region when the Moskva was hit too.This is interesting.... an admission of how close the US shared its intel and how deep their sources are.
U.S. intel helped Ukraine protect air defenses, shoot down Russian plane carrying hundreds of troops
U.S. intel helped Ukraine shoot down Russian plane carrying troops
Ukrainian forces have used specific coordinates shared by the U.S. to direct fire on Russian positions and aircraft, current and former officials tell NBC News.www.nbcnews.com
There are only two likely targets for US Army or USMC deployed Stingers; Russian or Chinese combat aircraft. The Ukrainians are handling the former by proxy well enough. Better to use them and reduce Russian's air force, then to let them expire or become obsolete.Raytheon Technologies, the maker of the thousands of Stinger missiles sent to Ukraine amid its war with Russia, will not be able to quickly produce more of the weapons due to lack of parts and materials, the company's CEO said Tuesday.
Raytheon won't be able to ramp up production of Stinger anti-aircraft systems until at least 2023, as the company must "redesign some of the electronics in the missile and the seeker head," due to some components no longer being commercially available, CEO Greg Hayes told investors during a Tuesday earnings call.
That redesign is "going to take us a little bit of time," Hayes said.
In addition, Raytheon's production line is only able to build a limited number of Stingers and will need a big commitment from the U.S. government to fund a sharp increase in production, factors that mean missile assembly won't be ramped up until next year at the earliest, he predicted.
The United States has given more than $3.7 billion in military assistance to Ukraine since Russia invaded the country on Feb. 24. That amount includes more than 1,400 Stingers, which are portable systems that can be used to shoot down aircraft and drones.
European nations have also pulled hundreds of Stingers from their stockpiles for Kyiv.
But until the war, the Army had been moving to retire Stingers, moving instead toward a new portable anti-air missile to be built by 2028.
That drawdown means a slowed timeline to replenish stocks.
"We've been working with the [Defense Department] for the last couple of weeks, we're actively trying to source some of the material, but unfortunately, DOD hasn't bought a Stinger in about 18 years and some of the components are no longer commercially available," Hayes said.
Raytheon CEO warns of delays in Stinger missile production
Raytheon Technologies, the maker of the thousands of Stinger missiles sent to Ukraine amid its war with Russia, will not be able to quickly produce more of the weapons due to lack of parts and mate…thehill.com
As mentioned upthread, while our stocks are being drawn down, we may have to wait some time to replenish them.
I'm okay with it, myself, given that we'll likely not be facing any other demands in the next few years. But this is certainly something to think about.
There are only two likely targets for US Army or USMC deployed Stingers; Russian or Chinese combat aircraft. The Ukrainians are handling the former by proxy well enough. Better to use them and reduce Russian's air force, then to let them expire or become obsolete.
I'm glad we found out now that the potential burn rate far exceeds the likely replacement rate. Had a conventional WW3 really broken out in Europe presumably the US would have used their Stingers at an even faster rate. Didn't the US expect to need these things in a hurry one day?Now, there's a shortfall, and no production to make up for it. That's the problem, and the point of my post.
I'm glad we found out now that the potential burn rate far exceeds the likely replacement rate. Had a conventional WW3 really broken out in Europe presumably the US would have used their Stingers at an even faster rate. Didn't the US expect to need these things in a hurry one day?
No doubt China is cursing Putin right now.The elves in Taiwan must be as busy as beavers right now.
As a former intel guy, stories like this make me cringe.This is interesting.... an admission of how close the US shared its intel and how deep their sources are.
U.S. intel helped Ukraine protect air defenses, shoot down Russian plane carrying hundreds of troops
U.S. intel helped Ukraine shoot down Russian plane carrying troops
Ukrainian forces have used specific coordinates shared by the U.S. to direct fire on Russian positions and aircraft, current and former officials tell NBC News.www.nbcnews.com
Sending a message that doesn't need to be decoded?As a former intel guy, stories like this make me cringe.
Don't we practice OPSEC any more? Protect sources and methods? Plausible deniability?
As a former intel guy, stories like this make me cringe.
Don't we practice OPSEC any more? Protect sources and methods? Plausible deniability?
There was one more recently downed near Odessa, but the above article suggests a transport heading for the Ukrainian air base north of Kiyv was shot down in those early days of late February or early March.I remember a troop plane being downed, but I didn't hear it carried several hundred men
EDIT: Supposedly Il-76's which are not small!
Definitely not a source to trust. One step above the National Enquirer... maybe.I never know if these tabloid sites can be trusted, but here goes…
Two Russian transport planes shot down around Kyiv, Ukraine says - Washington Examiner
At least two Russian military transport planes have been shot down by Ukrainian air defenses, Ukrainian officials said early Saturday morning.An IL-76 heavy transport plane was shot down near Vasylkiv, a city roughly 25 miles south of Kyiv, said Ukraine’s top general, Valeriy Zaluzhniy. The Kyiv...www.washingtonexaminer.com
Depends as to what you would like to call or refer to a tracked vehicle weighing 48t - 53t and able to dispense (660) APDS tungsten rounds in rapid fire succession via 2x35mm cannons that can easily destroy/disable a T-62 to T-72 tank. It's not necessary to "only" use the Flakpanzer Gepard in the AA role.I really like this decision...it gives the Ukrainian military an additional dimension of air defence. It's incredibly frustrating, however, to see the news media referring to these as "tanks."