"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (4 Viewers)

at6 · Sep 29, 2022

Greg Boeser said:
But you don't have to worry about them running away in a fight.
Besides, how often have we heard the complaint that old men send the young off to war to die? Well, looks like Russia is going to show us!

Their walkers would slow them down too much.

SaparotRob · Sep 30, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
If the Ukrainians have the manpower, I wouldn't be surprised to see a thrust south to split Kherson and Mariupol in order to isolate the Russians in the south. But I don't know if the Ukrainians are strong enough to do that.

I believe that the Ukrainians aren't in a hurry. Just wear the orcs down. No re-supply and it's getting colder. Then do exactly you what said. Why get your guys killed needlessly. It's almost like Guadalcanal ('Starvation Island") for the Russians and the orcs aren't quite as dedicated.

GrauGeist · Sep 30, 2022

The Ukrainians are using the "water principle": water follows the path of least resistance, flowing around obstacles, encircling them in the process.
Clear the land, surround the urban areas, cut off the Russian's supply and keep moving.
General Patton and Field Marshal Rommel would be damned proud of these guys (and gals) and even Guderian would be giving a nod of approval.

This is textbook material right here.

Thumpalumpacus · Sep 30, 2022

SaparotRob said:
I believe that the Ukrainians aren't in a hurry. Just wear the orcs down. No re-supply and it's getting colder. Then do exactly you what said. Why get your guys killed needlessly. It's almost like Guadalcanal ('Starvation Island") for the Russians and the orcs aren't quite as dedicated.

To my mind it's about splitting up the Russians in order to enable defeat in detail. Isolating the Russians on the south coast has to be an imperative of the campaign. The continued slugging towards Kherson has that aim too, but it's in an area where advances are really hard to get rolling. But if you can deliver a similar thrust as what happened northeast -- hitting where they ain't -- then you've got thousands of Russians on the thin end of the branch and you can saw away. You can also emplace missiles to further restrict Russian naval ops based upon Crimea.

J_P_C · Sep 30, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
I think we have land-based ABMs in Poland as well, but I'd defer to J J_P_C 's knowledge on that score.

yes - there are US ABM system components located in Poland

RogerdeLluria · Sep 30, 2022

RogerdeLluria · Sep 30, 2022

J_P_C · Sep 30, 2022

Admiral Beez · Sep 30, 2022

Thumpalumpacus said:
If the Ukrainians have the manpower, I wouldn't be surprised to see a thrust south to split Kherson and Mariupol in order to isolate the Russians in the south.

I wonder where the next AFU feint is going to entice the Russians to reinforce. It might be Mariupol?

Admiral Beez · Sep 30, 2022

J_P_C said:

That made me tear up.

vikingBerserker · Sep 30, 2022

The lead element of the Russian counter attack, Private Ivan Youseff of the 55th Mechanized Division in the lead.
Hobbies include trying to remember what he had for breakfast and trying to remember what he had for breakfast.

XBe02Drvr · Sep 30, 2022

J_P_C said:

Admiral Beez said:
That made me tear up.

Me too. The hardest duty any leader has to face. Imagine doing that every day. You'll never see Vladolph Putler doing it. The fundamental difference between Russia and the west.

Thumpalumpacus · Sep 30, 2022

ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine, Sept 30 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin proclaimed Russia's annexation of a swath of Ukraine on Friday in a speech at the Kremlin but the event was overshadowed by one of Russia's worst battlefield defeats of the war, with one of its main garrisons surrounded.

[...]

It comes as Russian forces have faced setbacks on the battlefield, with one of the worst so far looming even as Putin spoke. Pro-Russian officials acknowledged that Russian troops were on the verge of encirclement in Lyman, their main garrison in the north of Donetsk province.

Defeat there could open the way for Ukraine to recapture swathes of the territory that Putin has now declared to be part of Russia.

[...]

The encirclment of Russia's garrison at Lyman leaves Ukrainian forces an open path to seize more territory in Luhansk and Donetsk provinces, captured earlier in some of the war's bitterest fighting.

[...]

"All the approaches and logistic routes of the enemy, through which they delivered ammunition and manpower, are in fact under fire control" of the Ukrainian army, said Serhii Cherevatyi, a spokesperson Ukrainian troops in the east.

Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksiy Goncharenko tweeted: "Lyman is surrounded! The Ukrainian army is already in Yampil. The Russian army is trying to escape."

Putin proclaims annexation as Russian garrison surrounded in Ukraine

President Vladimir Putin proclaimed Russia's annexation of a swath of Ukraine on Friday in a speech at the Kremlin but the event was overshadowed by one of Russia's worst battlefield defeats of the war, with one of its main garrisons surrounded.

www.reuters.com

It's nice and well to claim a piece of land, but it's all just words if you cannot hold it.

RogerdeLluria · Sep 30, 2022

https://censor.net/en/news/3370645/if_russian_grouping_in_lyman_manages_to_be_completely_destroyed_at_withdrawal_occupants_will_not_have

The Russian army trapped in Lymann is preparing to break out of the city. There is only one exit route - near the village of Torske. This route is under the fire control of Ukrainian troops.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Sep 30, 2022

J_P_C said:

Not going to lie. Brought a tear to my eye, especially because of the children.

Vladolf Putler must be stopped and held accountable.

Crimea_River · Sep 30, 2022

The big question is what the cornered dog does now that he's annexed the eastern regions and laid the groundwork for WMD retaliation if "attacked". That, and how the west will respond in such an event.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Sep 30, 2022

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
Not going to lie. Brought a tear to my eye, especially because of the children.

Vladolf Putler must be stopped and held accountable.

And I also hurt for the children of the Russian soldiers sent to die in Ukraine. They too are victims of this tyrannical regime and so many now will grow up without a father.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · Sep 30, 2022

Crimea_River said:
The big question is what the cornered dog does now that he's annexed the eastern regions and laid the groundwork for WMD retaliation if "attacked". That, and how the west will respond in such an event.

It should not matter that he annexed them. The eastern regions were taken by violent force and are still Ukrainian by law.

XBe02Drvr · Sep 30, 2022

Crimea_River said:
The big question is what the cornered dog does now that he's annexed the eastern regions and laid the groundwork for WMD retaliation if "attacked". That, and how the west will respond in such an event.

Now's the time for some level headed power broker to initiate regime change. Ol' Vlad needs a career change, like maybe integrity testing of a padded cell, or perhaps subterranean fertilizing of daisies.

Crimea_River · Sep 30, 2022

DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
It should not matter that he annexed them. The eastern regions were taken by violent force and are still Ukrainian by law.

I agree it shouldn't matter but unlike the rest of us he doesn't think that way.

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