"All of Vlad's forces and all of Vlad's men, are out to put Humpty together again." (7 Viewers)

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Admiral Beez said:
The RAN is well above the capability of the RCN. I ran a quick comparison via ChatGPT (so take it with bag of salt):

"Make me a comparison chart of the RCN vs the RAN"


FeatureRoyal Canadian Navy (RCN)Royal Australian Navy (RAN)
Founded19101913
HeadquartersOttawa, OntarioCanberra, Australian Capital Territory
Motto"Safer Seas, Stronger Canada""Integrity, Capability, Loyalty"
Fleet SizeApproximately 30 ships (as of 2023)Approximately 50 ships (as of 2023)
Submarines4 modern submarines (Victoria class)6 modern submarines (Collins class)
Surface Combatants12 Halifax-class frigates9 Anzac-class frigates, 3 Hobart-class destroyers
Support VesselsAuxiliary ships, replenishment shipsSupply ships, hydrographic vessels
Air ArmCH-148 Cyclone helicopters, fixed-wing supportMH-60R Seahawk, MRH-90 Taipan helicopters
Operational FocusArctic operations, anti-submarine warfareRegional security, humanitarian missions
International AlliancesNATO, Commonwealth, various coalitionsANZUS, Commonwealth, various coalitions
Major ExercisesRIMPAC, TRIDENT JUNCTURE, and othersRIMPAC, Talisman Sabre, and others
Current ChallengesAging fleet, modernization needsCapacity expansion, balancing regional threats


A quick eye will see that calling the Victoria class SSKs modern is a stretch, while the RAN is missing its Canberra-class LHDs. Damn Canada should have bought those Mistrals.
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The Anzac frigates are way down on the performance of the German frigates they are licenced copies of because of the Au "improvements" and the Taipan helicopters have all been broken up and buried - instead of being given to Ukraine who wanted them and could have successfully operated them.
At 30 years old the Collins subs are like your Victoria class boats - technological dinosaurs.
 
MiTasol said:
The Anzac frigates are way down on the performance of the German frigates they are licenced copies of because of the Au "improvements" and the Taipan helicopters have all been broken up and buried - instead of being given to Ukraine who wanted them and could have successfully operated them.
At 30 years old the Collins subs are like your Victoria class boats - technological dinosaurs.
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Our CH-148 Cyclone helicopters are apparently maintenance hogs at risk of being death traps. I wouldn't wish them upon Ukraine. I can't think of a time other than the CF-100 where Canada was the near-only other operator of a type.
 
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GTX said:
That while lot of doing nothing (in excess of $400 Billion and counting) certainly has helped give Putin a bloody nose. While I strongly believe more should be done and faster, to say that "the west would do nothing and he was right" is disingenuous.
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I don't dispute the need for the money and it was certainly necessary. But it's a whole lot easier to complain about Putin's actions and write a cheque, than to directly engage. I'm sure supplying arms and munitions were included in Putin's calculus, likewise included in his calculus was NATO would not intervene and he was correct. As mentioned. We have seen this war before in 1939.

Disingenuous: "of a person or their behaviour) slightly dishonest, or not speaking the complete truth"

Well, that was my opinion. I don't think your use of the term applies in this case.
 
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I think Putin miscalculated the Western support drastically, though I think t was an understandable mistake. In the leadup to his invasion, Western warnings were shallow and weak. Only after Ukraine stood off the first push and caught the imagination of the Western public did Western govt's get on board -- following public opinion, as it were.

I don't think Putin's Russia took that into account and balanced for Western arms supplies -- nor the Ukrainian guts that drove that Western support. It's an understandable miscalculation on Putin's part -- but it's still a miscalculation.
 
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Putin was like Hitler, in his "nibbling" at various nations right up to 2022.

Encroachments in Georgia, Moldova and Crimea were all met with stern language from NATO and the UN security Council.

In 2022, when Zelensky said send ammunition instead, this woke the west up.

I will say that it is shameful that Russia was allowed to re-enact late 1930's Germany in regards to taking territory from sovereign nations unchallenged, but I am glad the vapors of appeasement vanished in 2022 unlike 1939.
 
GrauGeist said:
Putin was like Hitler, in his "nibbling" at various nations right up to 2022.

Encroachments in Georgia, Moldova and Crimea were all met with stern language from NATO and the UN security Council.

In 2022, when Zelensky said send ammunition instead, this woke the west up.

I will say that it is shameful that Russia was allowed to re-enact late 1930's Germany in regards to taking territory from sovereign nations unchallenged, but I am glad the vapors of appeasement vanished in 2022 unlike 1939.
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There's still a large number of people, both here and abroad, who think appeasement is the way forward.
 
MiTasol said:
The Anzac frigates are way down on the performance of the German frigates they are licenced copies of because of the Au "improvements" and the Taipan helicopters have all been broken up and buried - instead of being given to Ukraine who wanted them and could have successfully operated them.
At 30 years old the Collins subs are like your Victoria class boats - technological dinosaurs.
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I beg to differ. The ANZACs have gone through some significant updates over recent years as have the Collins class. The Collins class are continuing to be upgraded. Unfortunately their SSN replacements will take time but to call them "technological dinosaurs" is misleading.

I agree re the MRH90s though. But that is another story...
 
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Russian media has reported that a German-made Leopard 2A6 tank, captured during the ongoing war in Ukraine, has been delivered to the Uralvagonzavod, which makes T-72s, for detailed examination. According to the statement circulated in Russian outlets, experts will analyze the tank’s components...
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SaparotRob said:
What's the name of the movie where the Bradley is a boondoggle? I think Kelsey Grammer is in it.
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which was loosely (VERY loosely) based upon this book:

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The book was good but don't rely oil the movie for any facts. It is amusing though
 
JDCAVE said:
I don't dispute the need for the money and it was certainly necessary. But it's a whole lot easier to complain about Putin's actions and write a cheque, than to directly engage.
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The support is far more than just cash. Go educate yourself - here's a start: Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine
JDCAVE said:
I'm sure supplying arms and munitions were included in Putin's calculus, likewise included in his calculus was NATO would not intervene and he was correct.
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BS!! If Putin had any inkling of how this has turned out he would not have started it. Yes the West didn't give strong enough signals beforehand but as said, once the Ukrainian resolve to fight was seen things changed.
JDCAVE said:
Disingenuous: "of a person or their behaviour) slightly dishonest, or not speaking the complete truth"

Well, that was my opinion. I don't think your use of the term applies in this case.
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Your choice but your opinion needs to be led by facts and if you are aware of these facts than I stand by my classification.
 
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