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What was wrong with the Helldiver?
As far as ur quote from Wikipedia, have u ever added info into a certain topic there??? Any meatball with a keyboard can add things to those "information" tidbits.....
The B7a doesnt have a significant combat record to back up being the best, and with only 80 or so actually gettting into a combat unit, I cant justify it....
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I said it could remain motionless when landing. How you interpret that as attacking while motionless is beyond me. You can read, can't you?While the Brits, US and Japan were figuring out that slow moving torpedo bombers were sitting ducks, here comes a plane that remains motionless. Easy pickings for the AAA.
Obviously you can't read. A 1000 pounder is not equal to a 1000 KG bomb.The "Kate" torpedo bomber also carried a heavier payload than the 1000 pounder than this airplane did.
The same as for the Ju 87D...And the figures for the navalized version for this plane are?
As far as ur quote from Wikipedia, have u ever added info into a certain topic there??? Any meatball with a keyboard can add things to those "information" tidbits.... In all my experience, there were very few pilots that flew the Helldiver with joy, and the vast majority of former Dauntless pilots disliked it as well...
So that meant the SBD hit "better" targets based on their contribution in "turning the tide," right?Just in 1942, count up the % of attacks made by SBD's v Vals that scored at least some hits. If you did that I don't see how you could argue with my statement, early in the war formations of Vals almost never wholly missed their ship targets, SBD's sometimes did (more often that not did off Guadalcanal, for that specific campaign count up all the cases in Frank's "Guadalcanal" and see what you find). SBD's did enough damage to the Japanese to contribute in a major way to turning the tide in 1942. But the two statements aren't contradictory, SBD's were effective in 1942, Vals were more accurate still in general.
Obviously you can't read. A 1000 pounder is not equal to a 1000 KG bomb. Yeah, it blows your mind, doesn't it??
The same as for the Ju 87D...
Kris
Syscom, you're mistaking:BTW, The Japanese "Kate" carried almost the same payload, but at a far superior range, and a significantly faster speed than your choice.
1. Survivability is mainly relative, unless we are comparing different planes that performed the same mission on the same side at the same time. For Type 99 (Val), SBD and Ju-87 we're generally speaking of different opposition. I agree between the SBD and Type 99 in the Pacific in 1942, the SBD was relatively more survivable, but it faced a different defence. The SBD's biggest successes came when the Japanese basically failed to intercept it, at Midway (lack of radar direction and flaws in their CAP practices) and in most missions flown from Guadalcanal (Zeroes were based too far away to give good fighter cover to J convoys near G'canal, for the most part). In absolute terms, most SBD's that fought in 1942 (eg. SBD-3) had armor and self sealing tanks, better rear firing armament (2 v 1 rifle cal mg's) and much better fwd firing (2*.50 v 2 *.30), but the Val was actually faster despite the obsolete fixed gear arrangement, and probably more maneuverable (it was considered highly maneuverable even by Japanese standards).1. If this is about WW2 carrier attack planes and we are talking about overall effectiveness as well as survivability I would have to vote for the SBD.
2. It was even used as a CAP(against torpedo attack planes) in the early days of the Pacific war before the carriers embarked more than one VF squadron.
3. Also it was a good scout plane because of it's long range(around 1100 miles)
4. The Kate was a good torpedo plane as well as a horizontal bomber.