cheddar cheese
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Im positive it saw more combat than the Ta-152
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lesofprimus
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Hmmm... I think that the -47N could be considered in this... It saw more service than the -152 did, but i still believe the -152 was a better combat aircraft...
The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.
The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.
A total of 1667 P-47Ns was produced by the Farmingdale plant between December 1944 and December 1945, when the Thunderbolt line finally closed down. 149 more P-47Ns were built by the Evansville factory. V-J Day cancellation of 5934 Thunderbolts brought production of the type abruptly to an end.
The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.
The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.
In honor of designer Kurt Tank, the Fw 190's designation was changed to Tank or Ta 152. This beautiful inline-engined fighter was to be the ultimate version of the famous fighter but delays resulted in the stopgap Fw 190D, in itself an outstanding aircraft. In the chaotic final year of the Third Reich the D ended up being the major inline engine version with only a few Ta 152Hs, and possibly a few Ta 152Cs, getting into combat.
The extended wing (14.5m), high altitude Ta 152H was indeed a sterling performer with a top speed of 755 km/h (472 mph) and a service ceiling of 15,000 m (49,215 ft). It was armed with a 30 mm cannon in the nose and two 20 mm cannon in the wing roots. Had it been built in enough numbers and been flown by expert pilots it could have taken its place alongside the Me 262 as a near unbeatable air superiority fighter and bomber killer. The lower altitude version, the Ta 152C, barely made it out of the test phase before the war ended. Between October 1944 and February 1945 when production ended, Focke-Wulf managed to roll 67 completed Ta 152 aircraft (H-0, H-1, and C-1 models) off the line. By the end of the war, more than 20,000 Fw 190s had been built; about one-third as fighter bombers.
The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.
The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.
A total of 1667 P-47Ns was produced by the Farmingdale plant between December 1944 and December 1945, when the Thunderbolt line finally closed down. 149 more P-47Ns were built by the Evansville factory. V-J Day cancellation of 5934 Thunderbolts brought production of the type abruptly to an end.
The P-47N was destined to be the last version of the Thunderbolt to be manufactured. The first P-47N-1-RE appeared in September of 1944, and 24 were delivered by year's end. The P-47N-5-RE and subsequent batches had zero-length rocket launchers added. The R-2800-77 engine was installed in late production models such as the P-47N-25-RE.
The P-47N gave excellent service in the Pacific in the last year of the War, particularly in escorting B-29 Superfortress bombers in raids on the Japanese mainland. P-47Ns were able to escort the bombers all the way from Saipan to Japan and on many other long, overwater flights.
In honor of designer Kurt Tank, the Fw 190's designation was changed to Tank or Ta 152. This beautiful inline-engined fighter was to be the ultimate version of the famous fighter but delays resulted in the stopgap Fw 190D, in itself an outstanding aircraft. In the chaotic final year of the Third Reich the D ended up being the major inline engine version with only a few Ta 152Hs, and possibly a few Ta 152Cs, getting into combat.
The extended wing (14.5m), high altitude Ta 152H was indeed a sterling performer with a top speed of 755 km/h (472 mph) and a service ceiling of 15,000 m (49,215 ft). It was armed with a 30 mm cannon in the nose and two 20 mm cannon in the wing roots. Had it been built in enough numbers and been flown by expert pilots it could have taken its place alongside the Me 262 as a near unbeatable air superiority fighter and bomber killer. The lower altitude version, the Ta 152C, barely made it out of the test phase before the war ended. Between October 1944 and February 1945 when production ended, Focke-Wulf managed to roll 67 completed Ta 152 aircraft (H-0, H-1, and C-1 models) off the line. By the end of the war, more than 20,000 Fw 190s had been built; about one-third as fighter bombers.
I agree. I think the Ta-152 was a marvelous aircraft and was the future of the Luftaffe's piston engine aircraft. It was just too few, too late.
DesertWolf
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In my opinion, I think that the Ta152.H is definatly the most remarkable and most performing piston engined aircraft of WW2. In the hands of an expert pilot, it can accomplish miracles.
DesertWolf
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Have you heard of Kurt Tank's adventure with the Ta152H ?
lesofprimus
Brigadier General
Ummmm, yea, i think everyone here has......... If not...........
Chief designer Kurt Tank was flight-testing a Ta 152H when he encountered a flight of roving Mustangs. He simply turned toward home, applied the MW 50 system to boost his engine, and gave his pursuers the slip.
Chief designer Kurt Tank was flight-testing a Ta 152H when he encountered a flight of roving Mustangs. He simply turned toward home, applied the MW 50 system to boost his engine, and gave his pursuers the slip.
FLYBOYJ
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lesofprimus said:
True blue Les - I would of loved to see the look on those Mustang pilots when this "long winged FW-190" left them in the dust!
Thats if it did happen. Unfortunatly it can not be confirmed. I am not saying that it did not happen because I believe a Ta-152 could leave a P-51 in the dust, but theres a possibility it never happened.
Erich
the old Sage
go to my webpages and find two small articles from 2 different pilots that flew the Ta 152.
Kurt was actually testing a Ta 152C.
it was again in my opinion the best of the piston jobs flown. Had it been able to par evenly in numbers at 30,000 plus feet with the P-51D and K, aerial combat would of been not so one sided..
look for Willi Reschkes book on Jg 301/302 by Schiffer pubs and the new Thomas Hitchcok book on the TA 152 coming this fall through Monogram pubs
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Kurt was actually testing a Ta 152C.
it was again in my opinion the best of the piston jobs flown. Had it been able to par evenly in numbers at 30,000 plus feet with the P-51D and K, aerial combat would of been not so one sided..
look for Willi Reschkes book on Jg 301/302 by Schiffer pubs and the new Thomas Hitchcok book on the TA 152 coming this fall through Monogram pubs
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I agree with you 100% Erich. I think the Ta-152 was the best piston aircraft to come out in WW2 it just was too little too late.
P38 Pilot
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Nice picture there by the way.
I disagree about the Me-262. It was a good aircraft however it had many problems with its engines. Willie Messerschmitt was in the right direction with the Me-262. It showed the future of military aviation however as I said it had many problems. The engines were only good for about 10 hours and a P-51 could outmaneuver a Me-262. The 262's main advantage was its speed. It was a great bomber interceptor but it sucked at dogfighting.
I disagree about the Me-262. It was a good aircraft however it had many problems with its engines. Willie Messerschmitt was in the right direction with the Me-262. It showed the future of military aviation however as I said it had many problems. The engines were only good for about 10 hours and a P-51 could outmaneuver a Me-262. The 262's main advantage was its speed. It was a great bomber interceptor but it sucked at dogfighting.
cheddar cheese
Major General
I think the Ta-152, P-47N and perhaps the late model Spitfires are the main worthy candidates.
Id love to include the Series 5 fighters, but they were only the best in 1943 and as such were exceeded in terms of ability in '44 and '45.
Id love to include the Series 5 fighters, but they were only the best in 1943 and as such were exceeded in terms of ability in '44 and '45.
I agree with you completely CC, but I would not go with the series 5 aircraft. They were good and underated but just my personal oppinion.
cheddar cheese
Major General
Yeah I didnt say they were the best. I said for 43 they would have been candidates but seeing as this thread covers for the whole war they are nowhere near in with a shout.
Very agreed but you effort is comendable!
cheddar cheese
Major General
How is it commendable? Can I have a DSO?
Can I have a DSO?
You can have a pat on the back.
cheddar cheese
Major General
No thanks ill pass, last time someone said that I ended up with a bit of a crappy texture where I got patted
mosquitoman
Master Sergeant
Hows about the Tempest, if the Italian 5 Series are included then so has this
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