Best Special forces

[killerdragon]

Poland's Operational Maneuver Reconnaissance Group (GROM) (also referred to as Thunderbolt) is the nation's elite Special Forces (SF) unit. Created 10 years ago to combat terrorist threats, the GROM is Poland's equivalent to the U.S. Delta Force and the British Special Air Service (SAS). GROM personnel undergo rigorous training and have gained international recognition through their participation in several multinational operations.
there second best in the world says the United stats government web site
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[Glider]

Poland's Operational Maneuver Reconnaissance Group (GROM) (also referred to as Thunderbolt) is the nation's elite Special Forces (SF) unit. There second best in the world says the United stats government web site
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Well if the SAS are the best and the Polish unit is second, then The USA must be third.

 

[pbfoot]

Well if the SAS are the best and the Polish unit is second, then The USA must be third.

 

[lesofprimus]

Yea, and if u believe that, I got a bridge in Lower Manhatten I'll sell to u for real cheap....

Say what u want, but it comes down to the Top 3, and depending on the mission profile, any of them could be #1...

USN SEALs
Israeli Sayeret 13/Matkal/Shaldag
British SAS 22 Regiment

 

[Lucky13]

How would the Swedish elite forces compare, Minister of Whoopass? Thinking of the Arctic Rangers from I22, Airborne, Attackdykarna and Coastal Rangers....

 

[lesofprimus]

Thinking of the Arctic Rangers from I22

I cant give much opinion on them as I never worked or trained with them, but Ive not heard anything to elevate them into the realm of the other higher recognized units... I played some "games" with a few Skyddsgruppen SSG fellas, and they were good operators....

 

[Lucky13]

Just curious to know since their not "proffesional" like many other special forces, but conscripts(?)...

Just saw that they were dispanded in 2000.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Well if they were conscripts I would not even try and compare them to the all volunteer comando units from the US, UK, Germany, Israel and so forth.

 

[Lucky13]

I'm sure that in quality of training etc. we're just as good, but not being like the US, UK etc a proffesional army might have its backside, AND all these defense cuts is a real pain in the (censored)...
There's not many contries that have same severe winters as we have. Some military units must travel elsewhere to get the taste of tough winter conditions, while we have it in our own backyard.
You don't always have to be a proffesional army to give the "big boys" a good kicking, just look at the Finnish winter war. Stalins face must have been just as red as the flag of Sovietunion at that time.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I'm sure that in quality of training etc. we're just as good, but not being like the US, UK etc a proffesional army might have its backside, AND all these defense cuts is a real pain in the (censored)...
There's not many contries that have same severe winters as we have. Some military units must travel elsewhere to get the taste of tough winter conditions, while we have it in our own backyard.
You don't always have to be a proffesional army to give the "big boys" a good kicking, just look at the Finnish winter war. Stalins face must have been just as red as the flag of Sovietunion at that time.

Yes but when it comes to a conscript Special Forces unit you are going to missing the most crucial thing and that is Experience. If you dont have much time in a unit you are not going to have valuable experienc.

 

[Lucky13]

Exactly Adler. I know that you can't, well, "buy" experience. Not much chance in 18+ plus months.... that is what's missing in a conscript army, even if we go back every once in a while for a "Repmanad" as we call where we repeat everything for a month.
Makes me wonder sometimes what the US, UK and others armies would have been like if they still had a conscript army too.

 

[SoD Stitch]

Top ten? How about top 5?

1. Sayeret Mat'kal - Israel
2. SAS/SBS - UK
3. Delta Force - USA
4. GSG-9 - Germany (post-Munich)
5. Spetsnaz - Russia

The reason I put the Sayeret Mat'kal at the top is because they are absolutely ruthless; the other units have more of a political agenda to follow, but the Israelis have nothing to lose (except their lives), so they're willing to take more risks and do what it takes to ensure the survival of their country.

 

[Lucky13]

Have to admit that I've never heard of Sayeret Mat'kal....

 

[Lucky13]

Ahum...errmm...cough..cough...

"Before Gustavus, groups of uncoordinated mercenaries composed most armies, with little overall organization or chain of command. The Lion of the North (as he was known) instituted permanent units, assigned a fixed chain of command, and established a philosophy of cooperation among all combatants. Instead of independent action by many different parts, the entire Swedish army now united to fight as a single team. Gustavus's use of supply lines and bases and his integration of infantry, cavalry, and artillery enabled him to form the first truly professional army in military history."

 

[lesofprimus]

Top ten? How about top 5?

1. Sayeret Mat'kal - Israel
2. SAS/SBS - UK
3. Delta Force - USA
4. GSG-9 - Germany (post-Munich)
5. Spetsnaz - Russia

Delta Force and Spetsnaz??? Ranked higher than SEAL TEAM 2 and 4??? Shows just how much u know about the subject meatball....

And GSG-9 aint what it used to be, just a shadow of its former self...

 

[Lucky13]

I'd say that Spetnaz isn't what it used to be either I'm afraid. About this SEAL 2 and 4, how many SEAL teams is there? Which would be the most experienced one?

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

And GSG-9 aint what it used to be, just a shadow of its former self...

Agreed and GSG-9 can not deploy outside of Germany anyhow. Since 1996 they are only for internal anti terror (and other missions obviously) with the borders of Germany or on German Held Land and Property such as the German Embassy in Iraq where GSG-9 is responsible for the protection of the Embassy and its staff.

GSG-9 used to do out of Germany operations but they do not do so now.

Here are some of GSG-9s publicaly aknowledged missions:

October 17, 1977/October 18, 1977: Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four Arab terrorists demanding the release of Red Army Faction members. GSG-9 stormed the aircraft on the ground in Mogadishu, Somalia and freed all 86 hostages.

1982: Arrest of RAF terrorists Mohnhaupt and Schulz

June 27, 1993: Arrest of RAF terrorists Birgit Hogefeld and Wolfgang Grams in Bad Kleinen. Some people believe that Wolfgang Grams was executed in revenge for the death of GSG 9 operative Michael Newrzella during the mission. Grams had shot and killed Newrzella when Newrzella tried to tackle him. However, the official investigation determined that Grams committed suicide.

1993: Ending of the hijacking of a KLM flight from Tunis to Amsterdam, redirected to Düsseldorf, without firing a single shot.

1994: End of a hostage situation in the Kassel Penitentiary

For out of Germany mission the Germans created the KSK - Kommando Spezialkräfte in 1996. KSK is considered to be one of the best Special Forces units in the world. Rather than deploy the Police unit GSG-9 they send the KSK on Special Forces missions outside of Germany and this one is controlled by the military and was modelled after the British SAS.

To become a KSK member there is a 2 to 3 year training program. Training includes about 20 Jungle, Desert, Urban and Counter-terrorism specialist courses at over 17 schools worldwide, e.g. in Norway (Arctic), Austria (Mountains), El Paso/Texas or Israel (Desert), San Diego (Water) or Belize (Jungle).

 

[SoD Stitch]

Delta Force and Spetsnaz??? Ranked higher than SEAL TEAM 2 and 4??? Shows just how much u know about the subject meatball....

And GSG-9 aint what it used to be, just a shadow of its former self...

Meatball?!?!?!?! Whatever . . .

And, actually, I probably should've included Team 6, but I limited myself to the top five, instead of the top ten. I'd put Team 6 right below the D-boys, but above Spetsnaz.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

He is a former SEAL that is why he said that....

Oh and like I said GSG-9 should not be on the list. They are a police force that no longer does out of border missions. KSK does that.

Also you said GSG-9 (post munich). GSG-9 did not exist before Munich. It was formed because of what happened in Munich.

 

[SoD Stitch]

He is a former SEAL that is why he said that....

Oh and like I said GSG-9 should not be on the list. They are a police force that no longer does out of border missions. KSK does that.

Also you said GSG-9 (post munich). GSG-9 did not exist before Munich. It was formed because of what happened in Munich.

Got it . . .

Okay, that makes sense (the "meatball" thing) . . . and I did not know they were formed post-Munich, so I guess my statement was rather redundent. For some reason, I thought their first operation was Munich. Oops!