DerAdlerIstGelandet said:
The only reason I would not count the P-80 is because we have no basis on it. We do not know how it would have handled with a Me-262. We dont know how it would have handled in combat at all.
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The P-80A was well tried and tested after the war, and its F-80C development saw combat in Korea, so I think there are enough elements to compare the two aircraft.
A mockup combat test was flown in 1946 between a production P-80A and a captured Me-262 at Wright Field, and the results showed how the two aircraft had very similar flight performances
The 262 was found to have a slight edge in critical mach-number as well as an armament better suited for the role of bomber destroyer, while the P-80A had a slight advantage in terms of maximum speed, climb rate, and absolute ceiling, with a definite edge in terms of maneuverability, thanks to its boosted ailerons that gave it a phenomenal (for the time) roll rate – if memory serves me right, in the region of 360°/sec - whereas the 262's was further penalized by the position of its engine pods.
One item that had been seriously overlooked by the German designers was fitting the 262 with speed-brakes, as this prevented it from exploiting its major advantage over the P-80, i.e. its higher, critical mach-number, that would have allowed it to get away from the Shooting Star in a prolonged dive.
An important factor in my opinion seldom considered in a theoretical air-to-air combat, is the careful handling that both the General Electric I-40 (J-33) and the Jumo 109-004 required; this condition, if not quickly corrected, could lead to 'interesting' situations like flameout and compressor-stalls (the axial-compressor of the Jumo built with the technologies of the time being even more prone that the I-40's centrifugal-type).
Indeed a severely limiting factor in the combat flight-envelope for both aircraft, and one nonetheless common to all early jets, with the possible exception of the Rolls Royce Derwent I engines installed on the British Gloster Meteor F.MK.IIIs which – according to the Aircraft's Pilot Notes – could accelerate thru a compressor-stall, without damage to the engine itself.