Bf 109H?
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Njaco
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beaupower32
Tech Sergeant
This plane might have a DB605D in it. Compairing the photos here and the ones from the 109 lair, i think it matches up to a 605D. Which if it did, would indicate a late war ride, as in a G-10. I might be wrong as im still learning to tell the difference from one 109 model to the next. so bear with me if im wrong. Here is the link i used to compair the model engines.
The 109 Lair- The Online Source for Messerschmitt 109 information
The 109 Lair- The Online Source for Messerschmitt 109 information
A4K
Brigadier General
Daniel, re the Bv 155 pic you posted, you're not too far off the mark!
The development of the Bf 109H was 'officially' abandoned after the Ta 152 won the contract for the High altitude interceptor. Messerschmitt continued to develop the idea however, resulting in the Me 155 design (not actually built as far as I know). Continuous problems with engine cooling arrangement, and emphasis on standard fighter production, led to them handing the design over to Blohm und Voss. The result was the Bv 155, of which 2 were completed and test flown, and a third about 75% completed by the time Allied troops overran the factory.
The Bv 155-V1 was destroyed, the V2 (in your photo) test flown by the British, and written off after an engine malfunction, and the third (the only survivor) now held in the States by the NASM at their Silver Hill facility.
The development of the Bf 109H was 'officially' abandoned after the Ta 152 won the contract for the High altitude interceptor. Messerschmitt continued to develop the idea however, resulting in the Me 155 design (not actually built as far as I know). Continuous problems with engine cooling arrangement, and emphasis on standard fighter production, led to them handing the design over to Blohm und Voss. The result was the Bv 155, of which 2 were completed and test flown, and a third about 75% completed by the time Allied troops overran the factory.
The Bv 155-V1 was destroyed, the V2 (in your photo) test flown by the British, and written off after an engine malfunction, and the third (the only survivor) now held in the States by the NASM at their Silver Hill facility.
net_sailor
Senior Airman
Definetly G-10 with DB 605D engine (cold start device in upper position). Additional details: chin bulges on lower engine cover and raised filer for larger oil tank, deeper oil cooler.
If I remember correct, a short tailwheel leg indicates a WNF factory. Additional cover for commpressed air on the rear fuselage strongly suggest U4 variant with MK 108 cannon.
If I remember correct, a short tailwheel leg indicates a WNF factory. Additional cover for commpressed air on the rear fuselage strongly suggest U4 variant with MK 108 cannon.
G'day Grau (Dave?) A Frenchman by the name of Phillipe Ricco wrote an article for Airpower in 1995...
...and in it he claimed that with new information from Daimler Benz at hand, people like Green, Hitchcock and Nowarra had got it wrong and for the the first time with a "bit" of speculation and common sense this is how it (109H) would have looked. He was convinced that it would've had a Daimler Benz DB 628 engine and a narrow track undercarriage (based on the G model)...
A4K
Brigadier General
Interesting Graeme...that goes against all the info I've found on the H. Does he specify on what information he based his surmise?
I still think she would have had the longer wings for better performance at high altitude, myself...
I still think she would have had the longer wings for better performance at high altitude, myself...
Graeme is right about this Me109H.
And it didn't goes against A4K's information, actually as far as I can remember two vertion of the 109H where build.
But to my mind this messerschmitt was build with a supplementary fuselage section with makes it longuer than usual messerschmitt.
when I'll get back home this weekend I'll send you an article extract from a french magazine about the Me109H and its diffrent vertion, it is in frenchbut if you whant I'll translate.
There is a picture of this Me actually the only one existing because of the IIIreich censure.
And it didn't goes against A4K's information, actually as far as I can remember two vertion of the 109H where build.
But to my mind this messerschmitt was build with a supplementary fuselage section with makes it longuer than usual messerschmitt.
when I'll get back home this weekend I'll send you an article extract from a french magazine about the Me109H and its diffrent vertion, it is in frenchbut if you whant I'll translate.
There is a picture of this Me actually the only one existing because of the IIIreich censure.
beaupower32
Tech Sergeant
I thought it was a G-10. I still dont see where u see the cover for the cmporessed air. I might not be looking hard enough.
net_sailor
Senior Airman
As I said: definetly G-10 with DB 605D engine (cold start device in upper position).
In fact there were not a G-10/AS designation. It was introduced by researchers many years ago for G-10 from Erla works without chin bulges and witout rounded fairing on the left side.
Anyway DB 605 A and AS engines had cold start device on lower position.
Beaupower, follow the red arrow:
In fact there were not a G-10/AS designation. It was introduced by researchers many years ago for G-10 from Erla works without chin bulges and witout rounded fairing on the left side.
Anyway DB 605 A and AS engines had cold start device on lower position.
Beaupower, follow the red arrow:
A4K
Brigadier General
Interesting NS, I never knew that! 
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Njaco
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Graeme, I just read that article last week!!!! I'll see if I can post some more pics. Apparently he modelled a Bf 109 as a guesstimate of what it would look like.
and thanks everybody for answering this question about my dad's pic!
and thanks everybody for answering this question about my dad's pic!
beaupower32
Tech Sergeant
net_sailor
Senior Airman
It was not personally agaist you my friend. Other readers could be not familiarized with the "G-10/AS" designation story.
