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  1. Arnfinn

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    Hej everybody,
    I am a modeller trying to find out what other aircraft were in use during the Battle of Britain other than the 'classics' (you know, Spitfire, Hurricane, Bf-109, He-111, Do-17 etc. etc.), whether they were actually involved in combat or not. I am given to understand that a few early Mustangs were involved in the fighting, as well as some Kittyhawks (?). I am also very interested in any and all aircraft that were in use with all protagonists during the early years of the war, up to the Battle of Britain. I have a rough idea, but am missing detailed info on France, the Netherlands, and the eastern european countries. Any suggestions as to internet sources are most welcome, as well as information.
    Cheers!
    //Adrian
     
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    The Mustang could not have been flown for the Battle of Britain. The first production Mustang I for the RAF (AG345) flew for the first time on April 23, 1941, well past the BoB.
     
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    I have never seen any mention of the P-40 (of any sub-type) being involved in the Battle of Britain. The P-36 (export version) served with the French Air Force, in the Battle of France, and Britain received some in crates - which in theory could have been used - but the availability of fighter aircraft was such that they weren't needed.

    Otherwise - welcome.
     
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    The RAF's order of battle for fighter command for the Battle of Britain consisted of the Hurricane, Spitfire, Blenheim and Defiant. All other types were out of theatre or non operational. Bomber Command operations during the battle featured the Wellington, Whitley, Hampden and Blenheim (German bombers v British fighters was not the entire BoB, just most of it), after its mauling in France the Fairey Battle did not feature.

    On the German side you can also include the Bf-110, Ju-87, Ju-88, He 115, Fw 200, Do 18 and Do 24 to the operational types (plus also the Heinkel rescue biplanes that were shot down)

    An almost completely ignored aspect is also that raids were mounted on Britain by the Italian air force in which Fiat BR 20 bombers were escorted by CR 42 fighters to almost no effect whatsoever.
     
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    At a stretch you could include the Gloster Gladiator in the list for the RAF

    Extect from Wiki:

    "The Gloster Gladiator was in operational service with No. 247 Squadron RAF, stationed in Robourgh, Devon during the Battle of Britain. Although no combat sorties took place at the height of the aerial battles, No. 247 Gladiators intercepted a He 111 in late October 1940, without result. No. 239 Squadron RAF using Gladiators in an army cooperation role and No. 804 Squadron, Fleet Air Arm outfitted with Sea Gladiators were also operational during the Battle of Britain."

    Gloster Gladiator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    THe British also hat Tomahawk I's, redirected from a French order after the armisice. But as they lacked armor and self-sealing tanks, they were not used in front line service. The Tomakawk I was equivelent to the P-40 (no letter, Just P-40).

    Curtiss P-40
    Curtiss Tomahawk

    And on the Mohawk:
    RAF Mohawk
     
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    Also in use was the Short Sunderland which had a very interesting dogfight with 8 Ju-88 bombers known as the Battle of the Bay.

    Germany used the Ju-88C in limited numbers. This was the most heavily armed fighter in the air over Britian. They also used the He-59 as Red Cross rescue planes.
     
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    Late in the battle, there was at least one raid by Italian bombers and fighters. IIRC, the fighters were CR-42 biplanes; I don't remember the model of bombers. The RAF inflicted severe losses on this raid. Also, according to Derek Wood's and Derek Dempster's book The Narrow Margin, Grumman Martlets (F4F Wildcats) saw a little action, something I've never seen mentioned in any other book about the battle.
     
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    From: F4F Wildcat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    A couple other pages, with some nice pics: Grumman Martlett Mk. I Reference Photos by Phil Evans
    The Grumman Wildcat in FAA Service by Bruce Archer


    A couple interesting differences between the Martlet Mk.I and the F4F-3:
    -Instead of the 1,200 hp 14 cylinder 2-row Pratt and Whitney R-1830-76 or -90, the 9-cylinder Wright 1820-G-205 of similar power was used. (a due to the shorter length and signficantly larger diameter of the 1820 a shorter and wider cowling was used, giving the nose a less tapered look)

    Also the 4x .50" Brownings were spaces widely apart (instead of in close pairs) on each wing. (possibly due to the conversion from the originally French specified 6x 7.5 mm armament)
     
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    Late Sept and Oct. the Italians flew a couple sorties but I don't know which units at the moment.
     
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    They weren't in combat service until December 25th though, which is after the battle. Same with the Beaufighter
     
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    And one that is often forgotten Ju.86P 2 High altitude reconnaissance
     
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