Coastal Command PBY Catalina....

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    Been skimming through the Catalina book that I found here, which had me confused at parts, thanks to the RAF's system of Catalina I, IA, II, IIA etc., etc., until I found this... :lol:

    Now, since that I found yet another two 1/48 PBY's, one will deffo become a RAF Coastal Command one, Looking around for a Sqadron now... :D

    Catalina I

    The designation Catalina I was given to 100 PBY-5s purchased directly by the RAF. The Catalina I was given British equipment, including six Vickers machine guns – one in the nose, one in the rear tunnel and a twin gun on a manual mounting in each of the blister windows.

    Catalina IA

    The Catalina IA was the RAF designation for fourteen Model 28-5 AMCs produced in November-December 1941 for the RCAF.

    Catalina IB

    The Catalina IB was the designation given to 225 aircraft built by Consolidated as the PBY-5B. Of these aircraft 60 were retained by the US Navy, leaving 165 for the RAF. The change of designation from Catalina I or PBY-5 was probably due to the start of lend-lease –the Catalina Is purchased directly by the RAF had not needed a US Navy designation, but all lend-lease equipment had to have an official American designation

    Catalina II

    The designation Catalina II was given to 7 PBY-5s purchased directly by the RAF. They carried slightly different equipment to the Catalina I, although of three squadrons to operate the Catalina II only one did not use it alongside the Mk.I.

    Catalina IIA

    The designation Catalina IIA was given to 36 PBV-1s built by Canadian Vickers, and identical to the PBY-5.

    Catalina IIIA

    The designation Catalina IIIA was given to eleven PBY-5As, the only examples of the Amphibian version of the Catalina to enter RAF service. They came from a batch of PBY-5As delivered between December 1941 and March 1942, and spent most of their RAF career operating as part of a trans-Atlantic ferry service.

    Catalina IVA

    The designation Catalina IVA was given to 97 PBY-5s.

    Catalina IVB

    The designation Catalina IVB was given to 194 (193 in some sources) Boeing of Canada PB2B-1 Catalinas purchased by the RAF. The PB2B-1 was identical to the PBY-5. Boeing actually built 240 examples of this aircraft between July 1943 and October 1944, of which 34 went to New Zealand, 7 to Australia and 5 to the US Navy.

    Catalina V

    The designation Catalina V was reserved for the PBN-1 Nomad, but none of that aircraft entered RAF service, and so the designation was never used.

    Catalina VI

    The Catalina VI was the RAF designation for the Boeing of Canada produced PB2B-2, which was effectively a PBY-6A but without the landing gear.

    Sources differ on the number of Catalina VIs produced, ranging between 59 and 67, with the biggest part of the difference being accounted for by disagreement on one block of serial numbers. All sources agree that 47 of these aircraft were used by the RAAF.
     
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    Much obliged young man... There's a few candidates for a 1/48 Coastal Command Catalina, No. 190, 205, 209, 210 Squadrons, to mention a couple...
    Interesting read this book that I have here...
     
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    Wouldn't mind doing a CC cat some day, but would need to check which one could be done from the kit and so on.
     
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    Probably! Would have to study the details, but, one of these days, it would be really nice to build a model without surgery, just add a bit of detail if needed !
     
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    Like, I don't know.....glue? :lol:
     
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    #8 Lucky13, Aug 3, 2012
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    Types Used by Squadron

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    Number of Squadrons by Year

    1 January 1942 - 7
    1 January 1943 - 9
    1 January 1944 - 15
    1 January 1945 - 14

    No.119 Squadron - Iceland
    Briefly operated a single Catalina I in 1941, but the main use came in 1942 when it became one of only two RAF squadrons to operate the Catalina IIIA Amphibian, flying operationally from Iceland for a short period from August 1942. The squadron then briefly operated the Catalina to ferry Catalinas across the Atlantic, before converting to the Short Sunderland in November 1942.

    No.190 Squadron – Scotland
    No.190 Squadron operated the Catalina during 1943, carrying out patrols north from Scotland. Most operations were flown in support of the Russian convoys.

    No.191 Squadron - India
    No.191 Squadron flew maritime reconnaissance patrols over the Indian Ocean, from bases on both sides of the sub-continent, and on Sri Lanka.

    No.202 Squadron – Gibraltar then Ireland
    No.202 Squadron operated from Gibraltar from September 1939 until September 1944. The first Catalinas arrived in May 1941, and were used to protect the Straits of Gibraltar. The squadron returned to the UK in September 1944, and flew anti-submarine patrols from Northern Ireland.

    No.205 Squadron – Sri Lanka
    No.205 Squadron operated the Catalina from April 1941 until July 1945. From March 1941 it operated from Singapore and Sri Lanka, and suffered heavy losses during after the Japanese invasion of Malaya, Sumatra and Java. The squadron reformed on Sri Lanka in July 1942, flying a mixture of missions over the India Ocean.

    No.209 Squadron – UK then East Africa
    No.209 Squadron operated the Catalina for four years from April 1941 to April 1945. The squadron received its first Catalinas in April 1941, and used them to fly anti-submarine patrols from Scotland. The squadron spent August-October 1941 operating from Iceland, before making a more dramatic move in March-June 1942, relocated to East Africa. From there it flew anti-submarine patrols over a quiet part of the India Ocean, seeing little action.

    No.210 Squadron – UK
    No.210 Squadron operated the Catalina from bases in Britain, flying anti-submarine and convoy escort patrols.

    No.212 Squadron - India
    No.212 Squadron operated the Catalina from bases around India, flying anti-submarine mission for most of the war, adding Air Sea Rescue duties in 1945.

    No.240 Squadron - UK, Far East from 1942
    No.240 Squadron operated the Catalina from March 1941 until 1946. For the first year it flew them on anti-submarine patrols from Scotland, before in February 1942 the squadron prepared for a move to India. The squadron saw much less action in the new theatre, eventually adding meteorological and special ops flights to its list of duties.

    No.259 Squadron – East Africa
    No.259 Squadron received its Catalinas when it reformed at Beaumaris in January 1943. The squadron then flew out to East Africa, from where it flew patrols over the Indian Ocean.

    No.262 Squadron – East Africa
    No.262 formed late in 1942, and received its Catalinas in February 1943. The squadron then flew to East Africa, from where it carried out anti-submarine patrols. It slowly became more South African in nature, and was eventually transferred to the SAAF in February 1945.

    No.265 Squadron – Madagascar
    No.265 Squadron operated its Catalinas from March 1943 to April 1945 from Diego Suarez, at the northern tip of Madagascar, flying convoy escort missions off the east coast of Africa.

    No.270 Squadron – West Africa
    No.270 Squadron operated its Catalinas from November 1942 to May 1944, flying anti-submarine patrols from West Africa.

    No.321 Squadron – Sri Lanka
    No.321 Squadron reformed as a Catalina squadron on Sri Lanka in August 1942, with crew and aircraft that had escaped from the disaster in the Dutch East Indies. The squadron flew anti-submarine patrols over the Indian Ocean, eventually adding transport duties to its role.

    No.330 Squadron - Iceland
    No.330 Squadron operated the Catalina for a short period in 1942 to supplement its Northrop float planes on anti-submarine patrols from Iceland

    No.333 Squadron - Scotland
    No.333 Squadron was formed from No.1477 (Norwegian) Flight in May 1943, receiving its Catalinas in October. The squadron used them for anti-submarine patrols from Scotland, while at the same time flying anti-shipping Mosquitoes.

    No.357 Squadron – India and Sri Lanka
    No.357 Squadron was a special duties squadron, which used its Catalinas to drop special agents on rivers and along the coast of Burma and Malaya.

    No.413 Squadron RCAF – Sri Lanka
    No.413 Squadron RCAF operated the Catalina with Coastal Command from July 1941 to April 1942, before moving to Sri Lanka. It arrived just as the Japanese made their only move into the Bay of Bengal, but after this active start soon settled into a routine of anti-submarine, Air Sea Rescue and convoy escort work.

    No.422 Squadron RCAF - UK
    No.422 Squadron RCAF briefly operated the Catalina from August-October 1942. These aircraft were used to fly supplies to the Soviet Union, and then to escort the Russian convoys.

    No.490 Squadron RNZAF – West Africa
    No.490 Squadron RNZAF operated the Catalina over the South Atlantic from bases on West Africa, from June 1943 until July 1944.

    No.628 Squadron - India
    No.628 Squadron operated the Catalina flying boat on meteorological missions over the Indian Ocean from March to October 1944.
     
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    Good stuff Jan! Shame the cat dosen't qualify as a carrier aircraft...hmmm.
     
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    Where can I find losses for the Catalina in the Coastal Command, serials and codes??
     
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    Great list of squadrons and locations Jan, thanks for that. It's interesting to see the differences in roles employed by the RAAF compared to RAF squadrons. Whilst RAAF squadrons were employed in vital convoy escort and A/S patrols, its interesting that they took the route of the "Black Cat" flying long range bombing strikes, a handfull of torpedo strikes and most famously, long range mining operations all over the Pacific. Even some of our ASR flights got in on the action flying small scale strike missions. Did any of the RAF squadrons undertake such missions?
     
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    08/09/1942
    209 Sqn
    Catalina IIa
    VA713

    Coded L for Leather
    Op: Anti-sub patrol, Took off RAF Pamanzi at 04:20 hrs

    F/L J R Wyllie RNZAF
    P/O F W Henderson RCAF
    F/O K J Rich
    P/O E L Hall
    Sgt D P Broomfield
    Sgt A S White
    Sgt H Shepherd
    Sgt R N Lamond
    Sgt L S Davies
    Sgt D Abberley

    Took off normally but crashed in the dark just after the last flare. Sgt White, Sgt Broomfield, Sgt Davies, F/O Rich and P/O Hall all rest in Antsiranana War Cemetery, Madagascar, while the remaining crewmen are commemorated on the Alamein Memorial.
     
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