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I didnt like the language "crusty old bastard" directed at one of the worlds great aviators, and speculating about ho long a 95 year old will be with us is impolite to say the least.What so disrespectful about his post?
Unless taken out of context, nothing he said was meant in disrespect.
I didnt like the language "crusty old bastard" directed at one of the worlds great aviators, and speculating about ho long a 95 year old will be with us is impolite to say the least.
Maybe a question of two nations divided by a common language, there is no way I would talk about ANY 95 year old in those terms let alone one of historys greats.
I don't have a reference handy, but if I recall correctly, the Dora was given very high praise from Chuck Yeager.
Shoulda been around my household when I was a kid...there was always a fine blend of combat vets who were: career Navy Chiefs, Army senior Sergeants, USMC senior sergeants, USAF career senior Sergeants and associated riff-raff that all sported numerous stripes. This didn't include the renegade family members who had the nerve to be of the commissioned sort. Add to that mix, the group of friends who were all combat vets from all branches.Then you obviously took it out of context. Calling an old military veteran a "crusty old bastard" is never meant in disrespect.
In fact as an example I am a veteran myself, and me and my fellow brothers from my unit routinely refer to the older members of our old unit "you old bastard".
There is a difference between saying "the crusty old bastard" and "the fucking bastard."
The latter would be a term of disrespect. The former would not.
Again, unless taken out of context, there was nothing disrespectful about it. It was nothing more than a phrase/ figure of speech. It often is used as a sign of respect.
Eric Brown also said of the D-9; "This was, in my opinion, the finest piston-engined fighter to enter Luftwaffe service."
He rated it the second-best piston-engined fighter of the entire war, just behind the Spitfire XIV and just head of the P-51D.
I didnt realise that Soulezoo served with Jeager. As you say, old veterans can address each other with terms that seem like complete disrespect from those outside the group.Then you obviously took it out of context. Calling an old military veteran a "crusty old bastard" is never meant in disrespect.
In fact as an example I am a veteran myself, and me and my fellow brothers from my unit routinely refer to the older members of our old unit "you old bastard".
There is a difference between saying "the crusty old bastard" and "the fucking bastard."
The latter would be a term of disrespect. The former would not.
Again, unless taken out of context, there was nothing disrespectful about it. It was nothing more than a phrase/ figure of speech. It often is used as a sign of respect.
It was discovered in the 60s iirc that the Fw-190D-9 that Brown evaluated, which formed the entire basis of all western appreciation on the combat performance of Doras, wasn't a D-9 at all but a D-12 with a completely different engine fitment. It was much rarer, hand assembled and reflected neither the build quality nor the performance and character of most Doras that fought. For a start the D-12 was fitted with an extremely complicated multiple stage and automatically geared blower system with a throttle altitude boost and an emergency overboost facility, all weather pilot equipment (radio navigation and other new technologies), it was a very well equipped and futuristic fighter, very much like the sort of specification you'd expect from a piston fighter-bomber in Korea era, like an F4U-4 or a Seafury.
An American postwar evaluation on a rebuild true D-9 at Wright Patterson gave completely different results to Brown's tests of course, nowhere near the performance superiority he found. They characterised it as a hotrod built in a backyard shed and were amazed it could keep pace with a Mustang without falling apart, it was very rough to fly. Brown's was much faster at sea level and had far better altitude performance plus it was just an all round nicer pilots plane. What really doesn't help is the fact FW company documentation gives almost exclusively calculated figures so common perceptions are completely misled, you need to speak with dedicated specialists in the specific field and aircraft type, and the tendency to take pilots at their word like Brown is high, but there is no reason to assume his accounts taken with more authority than wartime pilot accounts, which officially had an error margin.
I didnt realise that Soulezoo served with Jeager. As you say, old veterans can address each other with terms that seem like complete disrespect from those outside the group.
Calling someone a "crusty old bastard" is not respectful...What is so disrespectful about his post?
Unless taken out of context, nothing he said was meant in disrespect.
I didnt realise that Soulezoo served with Jeager. As you say, old veterans can address each other with terms that seem like complete disrespect from those outside the group.
The D9 was an excellent fighter, the D13 would have been better, the Ta 152 was better than both for air to air combat.
The phrase "better' begs the question "better based on what criteria"?
They don't have to be old to do that! In every squadron I was ever in if another pilot was "nice" by todays standards I was very cautious around them. Sarcasm is a great tool to keep everyone on their toes...
Cheers,
Biff
It was just an example.
In English, refferring to someone as a "crusty old bastard" is a refference to being old and typically is not meant with disrespect.
You are taking it out of context.
Calling someone a "crusty old bastard" is not respectful...
Ha finally found that quote that states that the d9 wasnt flown by brown.
And here is the report that i mentioned that straight up says that the d-9 is worse than the A series.
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/wright-field-fw190d-9.pdf
Thats what i dont really get why it is said that it was so good. Could it be that this report is wrong? Or is that true. I really dont understand. Especially cause i love the d-9 =(