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All this does is demonstrate what was capable and, as I mentioned, no one in Germany would have been able to tell how a nuclear explosion was going to behave compared to a conventional one, so how could they have known?
It's conspiratorial hokum posted by a troll.
Right -- what comparative experience would they have had?
They couldn't even develop the thing. Murdering or otherwise persecuting your top physicists like Meitner doesn't help.The reality is, the Germans were poorly equipped to effectively deploy an atomic weapon.
The Germans had a solid head start, but several contributing factors caused the German atomic program to atrophy and the U.S. to take the lead.They couldn't even develop the thing. Murdering or otherwise persecuting your top physicists like Meitner doesn't help.
Of course, then they wouldn't be Nazis.
And moxie. Don't forget the moxie.Germany simply did not have the resources to provide for such a technological leap. America, with British help in research, did.
Read the article, they did initially.
But with segregated groups, rivalries, procrastination and so on, they screwed themselves.
You could *almost* replace the word "atomic program" with the word "jet program" and come to the exact same conclusion.
"Bothered by your little forum"buahahahaha hilarious, do you really think a bunch of sleep-walking sheep on a remote web locale could bother me. Think again. I came back for fun and to place seeds for your future awakening.
And the guy who quoted my post with FBI document and other facts and asked if i am 14-15,You are hardly more than a newborn intelectually, let alone 14-15. Great is the irony of your blindness.
I am having a blast cause you will be forced to accept these things as facts,
Nazi antigravity saucers
Nazi A-bombs
That ETs are living among us
That Moon is inhabited and has lakes, rivers, forests etc
Truth is so "extreme" from your comatose perspective it is totally inconceivable to you. But truth cares not about your coma, truth IS and you will be forced to wake up to it in time.
Just the fact you stupidly parrot the official narrative that Nazi atomic program atrophied and the U.S. took the lead. My my. To quote the materials again. Who intelligent can dismiss all this, only a fool can. All the quotes below from Forgotten Creators by Dr. Todd Rider, scientist from MIT are backed up with scanned documents and additional info, these are actual intelligence cables, reports, testimonies. Also the great work book Critical Mass by Carter Plymton Hydrick in which he has proven Uranium and components (von Ardenne infrared fuses etc) from the captured U-234 sub were used in the first American A-bombs. He has proven these things beyond any doubt. "Certainly leads the experienced physicists to believe " Dr. Delmar Bergen, Director of Nuclear Weapons Program at Los Alamos National Laboratory.
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NAZI A-BOMBS
Americans had 150,000 people working on the A-bomb and billions of dollars poured into it and still failed until they got Nazi components and uranium, while Nazis had few hundred scientists working on it and surely incomparably smaller funds and they have succeeded and already performed number of nuclear detonations, the biggest one apparently being the one on Rugen island. Talking about the reason for American shame and why the whole thing was shushed up and still is almost 100 years later.
Turn on the auto-translate.
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Rudolf Zinsser for US Ninth Army Air Force intelligence report interrogated by Captain Helenes T. Freiberger
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"In the beginning of Oct. 1944 I flew from Ludwigslust (south of Lubeck), about 12 to 15 km from an atomic bomb test station, when I noticed a strong, bright illumination of the whole atmosphere, lasting about 2 seconds. The clearly visible pressure wave escaped the approaching and following cloud formed by the explosion. This wave had a diameter of about 1 km when it became visible and the color of the cloud changed frequently. It became dotted after a short period of darkness with all sorts of light spots, which were, in contrast to normal explosions, of a pale blue color. […] A cloud shaped like a mushroom with turbulent, billowing sections (at about 7000 meter altitude) stood, without any seeming connections, over the spot where the explosion took place. Strong electrical disturbances and the impossibility to continue radio communication as by lightning, turned up."
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Testimony of Luigi Romersa, Mussolini's journalist and messenger, about Rügen Island atomic test
"Mussolini provided him with letters of introduction to both Josef Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda chief, and Hitler himself. After meeting both men in Germany, he was shown around the Nazis' top-secret weapons plant at Peenemünde and then, on the morning of October 12 1944, taken to what is now the holiday island of Rügen, just off the German coast, where he watched the detonation of what his hosts called a "disintegration bomb". "They took me to a concrete bunker with an aperture of exceptionally thick glass. At a certain moment, the news came through that detonation was imminent," he said. "There was a slight tremor in the bunker; a sudden, blinding flash, and then a thick cloud of smoke. It took the shape of a column and then that of a big flower. The officials there told me we had to remain in the bunker for several hours because of the effects of the bomb. When we eventually left, they made us put on a sort of coat and trousers which seemed to me to be made of asbestos and we went to the scene of the explosion, which was about one and a half kilometres away. The effects were tragic. The trees around had been turned to carbon. No leaves. Nothing alive. There were some animals – sheep – in the area and they too had been burnt to cinders."
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Rugen Atomic test was also confirmed on 13 March 2005 television interview, Elisabeth Mestlin stated that she observed a massive explosion on Rugen from a neighboring island on 12 October 1944 (p. 3760 of Dr. Rider's book below).
These are quotes of highly credible reports backed up by scanned documents and additional info reproduced in the 5000+ page book by Dr. Todd Rider, scientist from MIT.
Forgotten Creators – How German-Speaking Scientists and Engineers Invented the Modern World, And What We Can Learn from Them
It's 1.2Gb!! so it takes few minutes to download. From 3 chapters about 3 main test sites. When you open the pdf you got bookmarks on the left and these are all under Advanced Creations in Nuclear Engineering
D.10 Possible October 1944 Test Explosion on the Baltic Coast
• In August 1944, a German prisoner of war reported that "experiments are conducted on an estate in Pomerania [on the Baltic coast] and it is alleged that this explosive is capable of destroying everything in a radius of several kilometers." (p. 3733).
• On 20 October 1944, the U.S. physicist and intelligence analyst Philip Morrison mentioned "recent reports of Baltic explosions" that were being investigated by the Manhattan Project as possible tests of a German atomic bomb (p. 3734).
• A 21 October 1944 OSS intelligence report described the October test: "The Germans have completed a weapon which is founded on the principle of the disintegration of matter (Atomzertruemmerung).
Experiments have been performed which have proved conclusive[…] The radius of action is supposed to be about three kilometers" (p. 3735).
• A 19 January 1945 U.S. military intelligence summary covering many areas of advanced German research included a subject heading for "ATOMIC BOMB," under which it mentioned "close surveillance of the area in which tests are alleged to have taken place" (p. 3736). While the report did not state a specific time or location for those alleged tests, it focused largely on the most recent work being conducted on the Baltic coast, suggesting that the tests occurred in late 1944 on the Baltic coast.
• In May 1945, German prisoner of war Friedrich Olmes said that there had been "experiments with the atom-splitting bomb" and that "practical experiments were conducted on the Baltic coast" (p. 3737).
• A 19 August 1945 U.S. Army Air Forces intelligence report entitled "Investigations, Research, Developments, and Practical Use of the German Atomic Bomb" presented testimony by Rudolph Zinsser, a German pilot captured by U.S. forces, that in October 1944 he flew near the massive explosion of a new German bomb on or near the Baltic coast, describing in detail a very large mushroom cloud and severe electrical disturbances (p. 3738). After further investigation, rather than dismissing Zinsser's report, the United States decided to upgrade it from Secret to Top Secret in October 1945 (p. 3748).
• In testimony in 1955, 1984, and 2005, Italian military correspondent Luigi Romersa stated that by a special arrangement between Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, on 12 October 1944 he witnessed the massive explosion of a new German bomb on the Baltic coast (apparently Rugen island), had to wait in a bunker for many hours afterward for the site to become less dangerous (short radioactive half-lives?), and then had to wear a special protective suit when inspecting the leveled test site afterward (pp. 3750–3756).
• Werner Grothmann stated in 2000–2002 interviews that there was a successful atomic bomb test in October 1944 (p. 3757).
D.11 Possible November 1944 Test Explosion in Poland
• As already mentioned, a Top Secret U.S. cable from March 1946 stated that a "capable young engineer" in Poland knew that atomic bomb casings included a layer of cadmium, which was true for the implosion bomb designs described by both Ilyichev and Schumann (p. 3768). The Polish engineer's knowledge suggests that German-run industry in wartime Poland was involved in developing and/or testing an atomic bomb.
• Robert Jackson, chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials, stated on 21 June 1946 that he had received evidence that a new bomb design producing very intense heat had killed 20,000 Jewish prisoners in a specially constructed test village near Auschwitz (p. 3769).
• In August 1946, a FIAT intelligence document mentioned that there had been a number of unconfirmed reports that "about Christmas 1944, successful experiments were conducted in Pomerania with V-1 and atomic warheads, radio directed. The ensuing crater was 2 km in diameter" (p. 3771). There was also an August 1944 report of nuclear weapons development work in Pomerania (p. 3733).
• In December 1946, Otto Hahn said that there had been rumors that "atom bomb tests had been carried out in Poland during the last year of the war which were supposed to have had an effect similar to the first atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima though on a considerably smaller scale" (p. 3771).
• Gezo Mansfeldt, a survivor of Auschwitz, reported in December 1946 that he was frequently interrogated by Soviet officials about high-security wartime production work at Auschwitz and that he "learned of the atomic bomb tests" (p. 3773).
• A 1947 U.S. intelligence report stated that the Germans built a heavy water production plant near Auschwitz and that it was removed by the Soviets (p. 3773). Heavy water would only be useful for nuclear work, and the production of heavy water near Auschwitz suggests the presence of other nuclear work in Poland.
• Another 1947 intelligence report discussed wartime nuclear weapons work at Tucheler Heide in Poland, including the production of 235U and 239Pu and apparently even 1–5 kg fission pits for atomic bombs (p. 3989).
• In 1947, Heinrich Himmler's physical therapist, Felix Kersten, stated that Franz Goring, a senior SS security official, had told him that a new bomb design producing several thousand degrees of heat had killed 20,000 Jewish prisoners in a specially constructed test village near Auschwitz (p. 3774).
• Heinrich Himmler's personal astrologer, Wilhelm Wulff, confirmed that Franz Goring had stated that a new bomb design producing several thousand degrees of heat had killed 20,000 Jewish prisoners in a specially constructed test village near Auschwitz (p. 3775).
• Werner Grothmann stated that there was a successful atomic bomb test in or around November 1944 (p. 3757).
D.12 Possible March 1945 Test Explosion in Thuringia
• A 15 November 1944 letter from General Ivan Ilyichev, chief of intelligence for the Soviet army, to Joseph Stalin reported that the Germans in Thuringia were preparing under hurried but very high security conditions to test a new "bomb of unusual construction" with a "large destructive power" that might be an atomic bomb (p. 3785).
• A 23 March 1945 letter from General Ilyichev to Joseph Stalin reported that the Germans in Thuringia had recently conducted two very high-security test explosions of a new bomb design, described in considerable detail as a 2-ton, 1.3-meter-diameter spherical implosion device with multiple concentric layers and a uranium-235 core that created a "massive radioactive effect," incinerated or burned nearby prisoners of war (POWs), and destroyed buildings and trees within a radius of 500–600 meters (p. 3789).
• In a 30 March 1945 letter from Igor Kurchatov to General Ilyichev, Kurchatov analyzed the details reported in the 23 March 1945 letter, said it gave a "very believable description of the construction of the bomb," and requested further information (p. 3801).
• 21 and 29 May 1945 letters from Georgy Flerov to Igor Kurchatov reported that Flerov was currently in Dresden and en route to study the alleged German atomic test site using Geiger counters, and requested that former POWs returning from Germany to the Soviet Union should be interviewed to learn if any of them knew anything about the test (p. 3807).
• An October 1945 report from Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov to Stalin stated: "Based on the collected materials, it can be concluded that the German scientists in the field of theoretical and practical research and application of atomic energy have achieved good results up to the creation of the atomic bomb" (p. 3827).
• A 1946 Russian interrogation summary reported that Robert D¨opel stated that there was an atomic bomb test on a German military base before the end of the war (p. 3834).
• It seems there is or at least was considerably more information about the apparent German nuclear tests in Russian government archives, including even a captured German film entitled "Film of the Launch of a V-2 and the Explosion of an Atomic Bomb" (p. 3837). At a bare minimum, there are presumably documents identifying the Soviet spy who provided the information given in Ilyichev's two reports, documents reporting the suspected test site location to Flerov (which he seemed to know, but which was not in Ilyichev's two reports), documents reporting what (if anything) Flerov ultimately found, and documents describing the "collected materials" to which Zhukov referred.
• 21 March 1945 and 9 June 1945 U.S. aerial reconnaissance photos of the Ohrdruf military base appeared to show a large circular area of possible blast damage, as well as surrounding buildings that may have been affected by blast and/or radioactive fallout, whereas a 12 August 1944 aerial reconnaissance photo did not show those features (pp. 3840–3844).
• In what appears to be a transcript of her testimony before an East German government inquiry on 16 May 1962, Clare Werner, a wartime lookout at the Veste Wachsenburg castle near the Ohrdruf Truppen¨ubungsplatz military base, reported watching a large nearby test explosion on 4 March and another one on 12 March 1945, as well as being informed of the historic nature of the explosions by visiting military and SS officials. She reported that she and other local residents suffered from symptoms that sound like radiation sickness. Although there are unresolved questions about the nature and the chain of custody of the 1962 transcript, Clare Werner confirmed the key points of her testimony in several interviews conducted between 1998 and 2003 (p. 3848).
• In a transcript of his apparent testimony before the same East German government inquiry on 16 May 1962, Heinz Wachsmut reported being conscripted into a unique work assignment for the afternoon and evening of 5 March 1945 in Thuringia. He reported encountering large numbers of living, dying, and dead people suffering from what sounds like radiation sickness and burns in the aftermath of what the SS told him was a history-making test explosion. Under the close supervision of the SS, he was instructed to wear protective gear, and he burned approximately 450 bodies on woodpiles and saw a total of approximately 700 bodies being burned. (It is not clear if all of those were victims of the test explosion, or if some were victims of the daily harsh treatment of POWs.) Afterward his protective gear and clothing were burned, he was instructed to wash himself thoroughly, and he was unable to eat for days afterward possibly due to radiation sickness. While there are again unresolved questions about the 1962 transcript, the family of Heinz Wachsmut confirmed that he had described the same events and details to them (p. 3854).
• In transcripts of his testimony before East German government inquiries in 1966, Erich Rundnagel, a plumber who had worked for Kurt Diebner's nuclear research group in Thuringia during the war, reported that the scientists had told him they had two eight-kilogram atomic bombs (most likely fission pits for atomic bombs) in their safe (p. 3861).
• Colonel Oscar Koch, who was a high-ranking intelligence officer working with General George Patton, stated that a German prisoner of war described the massive explosion of a new bomb type in Thuringia in March 1945 (p. 3863).
• Werner Grothmann stated in 2000–2002 interviews that there was an atomic bomb test in Thuringia on 4 March 1945 (p. 3757).
And in addition to all this, we have incredible book Critical Mass by Carter Plymton Hydrick, here is a summary
"On May 19, 1945, eleven days after the surrender of Nazi Germany in Europe, a U-boat was escorted into Portsmouth Naval Yard, New Hampshire. News reporters covering the surrender of U-234 were ordered, contrary to all previous and later U-boat surrender procedures, to keep their distance from crew members and passengers of U-234, on threat of being shot by the attending Marine guards. Why the tight security? Buried in the nose of the specially-built mammoth boat, sealed in cylinders "lined with gold," was 1,120 pounds (560kg) of enriched uranium labeled "U235" the fissile material from which atom bombs are made. Critical Mass documents how these Nazi bomb components were then used by the Manhattan Project to complete both the uranium bomb dropped on Hiroshima and the plutonium bomb dropped on Nagasaki, to defeat the Japanese and win World War Two and global domination in the modern age."
Carter's research was confirmed in 2011, 15 years after the book was published, when 126,000 barrels of radioactive uranium residue were found 700 meters below a salt mine near Hamburg, Germany.
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Furthermore, Manfred von Ardenne who later helped the Russians make the atomic bomb. Ardenne infrared fuses were installed on the American bomb by the Dr. Heinz Schlicke, everything is described and documented in detail in the book. And if you are not going to buy the book, you have it here, so read it.
Critical Mass
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To dismiss all these official documents. testimonies, photographs you truly need to be a braindead zombie.
He has been booted twice Marcel.What are you on about? If you cannot be respectful, you're out of here.
Is he? Then he uses vpn of some sorts, no double ip.He has been booted twice Marcel.
But the same group of leaders would have applied the same flawed approach.I don't agree. Developing the jet engine and developing a fissile weapon are two different orders of industrial capacity.