Greatest aviation myth this site “de-bunked”.

[Thumpalumpacus]

My favorite brown ale right now:

(not my pic)

 

[P-39 Expert]

Gosh this is fascinating, you all like different beers.

 

[buffnut453]

We all like different aircraft, too. I guess we're weird like that.

 

[Milosh]

P-39 Expert likes Labatt's 50.

 

[Zipper730]

Regarding the Me-262,

From what it appears,

1. The aircraft was intended to be a fighter/interceptor, and Hitler asked if it could be developed as a bomber and the A-2a variant was fitted with hardpoints, structural reinforcements, and the removal of 2 x 30mm cannon in order to deal with the weight-excess & possibly CG issues. Hitler expected the aircraft to be developed as a plane that would have variants for fighter/interception and fighter-bombing developed side-by-side, but the fighter variant got priority first, which ticked him off.

2. The design originally had a tail-dragger, and was redesigned with a nose-gear: How long did that take? I think that might have delayed the entry into service than the whole bomber issue.

3. How effective were the TSA-2D, EGON, Zyklops, and Neuling (CEP), and is there any data on how they worked?

Regarding the Spitfire's Top Speed,

Spitfires were only capable of 369 mph, and thus completely incapable of intercepting V1's

I'm not sure where that figure came from. I do remember seeing 367 mph coming up in an early test with a twin-pitch prop (7/12/39).

 

[ThomasP]

re "Spitfires were only capable of 369 mph, and thus completely incapable of intercepting V1's"

Perhaps he is thinking of the Spitfire Mk V. It was generally considered that the Vmax of the average Mk V - in operations - was around 360 mph for the Mk Vc to 370 mph for the Mk Vb.

 

[wuzak]

re "Spitfires were only capable of 369 mph, and thus completely incapable of intercepting V1's"

Perhaps he is thinking of the Spitfire Mk V. It was generally considered that the Vmax of the average Mk V - in operations - was around 360 mph for the Mk Vc to 370 mph for the Mk Vb.

In theory neither could Mosquito fighters or fighter bombers, but they did. Sometimes by diving onto them, and some were fitted with nitrous oxide.

When the V-1s started coming over the main model Spitfire in the RAF was the IX and the XIV was in service.

 

[P-39 Expert]

P-39 Expert likes Labatt's 50.

Miller Lite.

 

[P-39 Expert]

In theory neither could Mosquito fighters or fighter bombers, but they did. Sometimes by diving onto them, and some were fitted with nitrous oxide.

When the V-1s started coming over the main model Spitfire in the RAF was the IX and the XIV was in service.

Didn't the V-1 fly at low altitude?

 

[wuzak]

Didn't the V-1 fly at low altitude?

And?

 

[ThomasP]

My understanding is that the majority of the V-1s only travelled at around 340-350 mph at an altitude of 3000-4000 ft.

The regular late-war Mk Vb (Merlin 45) was capable of ~370 mph at ~13,000 ft using +16 lbs boost.
The late-war Mk Vb (Merlin 45M) could do ~350 mph at ~5000 ft using +18 lbs boost.
So even the Mk V could have caught most V-1 if they had any altitude to trade for speed (VNE was over 450 mph IAS/500 mph TAS) at under 10,000 ft).

 

[fastmongrel]

There can't have been many Spitfire MkVs left in Fighter Command by 13th June 1944. Why would anyone use a MkV when there were Griffon engines Spitfires available.

 

[Shortround6]

A number of MK Vs were left, perhaps not many. No 234 squadron was still using MK vs through the summer of 1944 for ground attack. But as fighter bombers they would not normally have been used against V-1s. They did try to find V-2 launch sites around the Hague but weren't successful.

 

[Peter Gunn]

Regarding beer, not much of a fan to tell the truth, a light pale ale will do when something like this isn't around:

Unless of course you all want to chip for an anti-depression gift:

Last I checked it went for $120,000 a bottle...

Just sayin' if you guys REALLY liked me you'd prove it.

 

[JMBIII]

Why not just ask for the moon, Pete.

 

[Peter Gunn]

Pretty please...

 

[Milosh]

A number of MK Vs were left, perhaps not many. No 234 squadron was still using MK vs through the summer of 1944 for ground attack. But as fighter bombers they would not normally have been used against V-1s. They did try to find V-2 launch sites around the Hague but weren't successful.

Spit Vs were also used as arty spotters and air/sea rescue searches.

 

[SaparotRob]

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Pretty please...

I am very relieved you chose a picture of this kind of moon.

 

[Peter Gunn]

I am very relieved you chose a picture of this kind of moon.

I figured you've been traumatized enough from recent threads lately which is keeping you awake at night, so my conscience wouldn't allow me to do that to you my friend.

 

[33k in the air]

I am very relieved you chose a picture of this kind of moon.

That's no moon . . . it's a space station.

No, wait, it's a moon.