Greatest aviation myth this site “de-bunked”.

[pbehn]

If you mean industrial bland watery beer made from the cheapest materials then yes.
Stella is the stuff you take to a party because it's on special offer.

It is what you expect to get when a tennis organisation decides to make beer.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well then, how about a Samuel Adams Summer Ale for a long shot second place? Or are you folks down there all hostages of Annhauser Busch, Miller, Coors, and similar forms of panther piss? I find it amusing that the same folks who would brand my Gold Wing a "rice burner" and "un-American" choose to drink beer fermented primarily from rice instead of barley by companies that sport red white and blue labels, but are foreign owned.

Oh, we've got a healthy microbrew community down here, both locally and the state as a whole. We really don't need imports, with companies like Real Ale Brewing Co, 903 Brewing, Twisted X, and so on.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Oh, we've got a healthy microbrew community down here, both locally and the state as a whole. We really don't need imports, with companies like Real Ale Brewing Co, 903 Brewing, Twisted X, and so on.

Well then, I guess you can paint us "microbrew snobs". I often visit "exotic beer boutiques" for a little variety, and have never seen any of those you mention. In fact almost nothing from south of Mason-Dixon is to be found. Even Shiner, which used to be frequently available, but since 2017, gone, gone, gone.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well then, I guess you can paint us "microbrew snobs". I often visit "exotic beer boutiques" for a little variety, and have never seen any of those you mention. In fact almost nothing from south of Mason-Dixon is to be found. Even Shiner, which used to be frequently available, but since 2017, gone, gone, gone.

No, not snobs at all. It's just a matter that a microbrewery must needs build both a distro network and a customer base in order to make cross-country sales economically viable. The first can be expensive, and the second can be very difficult. Be it noted that I could find Shiner in California 15 years ago, but only in Los Angeles and then only at select stores.

Living here in Tejas, one beer I miss is Steinlager, a New Zealand lager that would make a fantastic summer beer here. But because there's little demand here, and greater expense involved shipping domestically after import, it simply isn't found like it is in SoCal, in every store.

 

[vikingBerserker]

What, no Pabst Blue Ribbon?

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

What, no Pabst Blue Ribbon?

We don't drink goat-piss either!

 

[XBe02Drvr]

Living here in Tejas, one beer I miss is Steinlager, a New Zealand lager that would make a fantastic summer beer here.

Ever wonder why there are such similarities flavorwise between pseudo-pilsener light lagers worldwide? Most folks I know can't tell the difference in a blind test between Dos Equis, Tsingtao, Corona, Kirin, Carlsberg, Heineken, Harp, and a host of others. Most can recognize genuine Urquel, however, due to the distinctive flavor of Czech Sasz hops.
In the early/mid 19th century the Lager revolution overwhelmed Europe, pushing traditional ales aside and dominating the market. Many of the more innovative German breweries that jumped on this new phenomenon were Jewish family businesses, whose sudden prosperity triggered the latent anti-semitism that lurked below the surface in much of Europe. This led to a bit of an exodus and a diaspora of German lager brewers setting up in business and creating global demand for this cool new product.
This required a lot of innovation, as the climates and soils around the world weren't necessarily friendly to the traditional varieties of hops they brought with them, and their traditional barley varieties didn't prosper everywhere either. Yet persevere they did, and eventually achieved the near uniformity of flavor we see today.
Gee, I tink I twa uh gwowndhaug!

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

Ever wonder why there are such similarities flavorwise between pseudo-pilsener light lagers worldwide? Most folks I know can't tell the difference in a blind test between Dos Equis, Tsingtao, Corona, Kirin, Carlsberg, Heineken, Harp, and a host of others. Most can recognize genuine Urquel, however, due to the distinctive flavor of Czech Sasz hops.
In the early/mid 19th century the Lager revolution overwhelmed Europe, pushing traditional ales aside and dominating the market. Many of the more innovative German breweries that jumped on this new phenomenon were Jewish family businesses, whose sudden prosperity triggered the latent anti-semitism that lurked below the surface in much of Europe. This led to a bit of an exodus and a diaspora of German lager brewers setting up in business and creating global demand for this cool new product.
This required a lot of innovation, as the climates and soils around the world weren't necessarily friendly to the traditional varieties of hops they brought with them, and their traditional barley varieties didn't prosper everywhere either. Yet persevere they did, and eventually achieved the near uniformity of flavor we see today.
Gee, I tink I twa uh gwowndhaug!

Steinlager is on of those that has a unique taste. It's definitely due to the hops. I'm normally no fan of hoppy beers, but a Steinie has a touch of sweetness that balances well against the bitters, to my taste.

The fact that it's light and has moderate ABV at 5.0% meant I enjoyed it in the short summers we had in coastal SoCal.

 

[pbehn]

Ever wonder why there are such similarities flavorwise between pseudo-pilsener light lagers worldwide? Most folks I know can't tell the difference in a blind test between Dos Equis, Tsingtao, Corona, Kirin, Carlsberg, Heineken, Harp, and a host of others. Most can recognize genuine Urquel, however, due to the distinctive flavor of Czech Sasz hops.
In the early/mid 19th century the Lager revolution overwhelmed Europe, pushing traditional ales aside and dominating the market. Many of the more innovative German breweries that jumped on this new phenomenon were Jewish family businesses, whose sudden prosperity triggered the latent anti-semitism that lurked below the surface in much of Europe. This led to a bit of an exodus and a diaspora of German lager brewers setting up in business and creating global demand for this cool new product.
This required a lot of innovation, as the climates and soils around the world weren't necessarily friendly to the traditional varieties of hops they brought with them, and their traditional barley varieties didn't prosper everywhere either. Yet persevere they did, and eventually achieved the near uniformity of flavor we see today.
Gee, I tink I twa uh gwowndhaug!

Having worked in China and Japan Kirin and Tsingtao were set up in the colonial era, Tsingtao was a German trading post and Kirin, like other Japanese beers were set up by importing German beer ideas and changing them. Japan is incredibly humid, you feel thirsty all the time so what you like to drink and eat reflects that. I obviously ate Japanese food and drank Japanese beer in Japan, I have done the same in London and Paris working for Japanese companies some were very high end restaurants, it just isnt the same because the climate and ambiance isnt, my colleagues said the same.

 

[GrauGeist]

Loved Steinlager, but it's no longer available in California.
I also enjoy Zagorka, which is based on an 1800's Czech recipe and brewed in Bulgaria but virtually impossible to get here.

Fortunately, I can get Pilsner Urquel locally.

 

[FLYBOYJ]

Fortunately, I can get Pilsner Urquel locally.

Official beer of the ThunderDelfins "Always Czech your 6"

 

[GrauGeist]

From what I understand, both Zagorka and Kamonitsa recipes came from Czech brewmasters in Plzen, which explains why they're so dang good.

Now if we could just get them to sell that delightful ambrosia here in the states in those glass 2 liter bottles I saw when I was there...

*sigh*

 

[XBe02Drvr]

From what I understand, both Zagorka and Kamonitsa recipes came from Czech brewmasters in Plzen, which explains why they're so dang good.

You just can't beat Sasz hops from the Pilsen area. Add just a touch of Hallertauer and the possibilities are endless. It seems nowhere else in the world can grow that particular flavor combination.

 

[GrauGeist]

You just can't beat Sasz hops from the Pilsen area. Add just a touch of Hallertauer and the possibilities are endless. It seems nowhere else in the world can grow that particular flavor combination.

I whole-heartedly agree.

 

[Snautzer01]

You guys need to go to Belgium. Cz pils is good, but there are better ones.

 

[XBe02Drvr]

You guys need to go to Belgium. Cz pils is good, but there are better ones.

I'm not a great fan of the Belgian "capture wild yeast" brewing technique. Personal taste, but the flavors just didn't turn me on.
Irish stouts on the other hand....

 

[Snautzer01]

take your pick.
Lijst van Belgische bieren - Wikipedia

 

[buffnut453]

One thing I do know, reading all these posts about beers, is that the more of those things that get consumed, the bigger the myths that get trotted out!

Did you see what I did there?

 

[special ed]

Made me pour out the coffee and get a beer.

 

[Ascent]

Given my normal opinion about American beer, some of the best beers I've had have been American, in Utah of all places.
Again, it's these microbreweries doing the good stuff, the mass produced stuff is just piss quite frankly, but then again so is the mass produced stuff in the UK.
And I'm more of a dark ale man then a lager man.