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  1. clmartin

    clmartin New Member

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    Hello,

    My name is Christy and I am in search of some information. I have already found a couple of posts on your site but and hoping that maybe I can find the right person!

    My uncle was a Top Turret/Eng on a B24 Bomber. His plane believed to be named "Repulsor" was shot down on April 22, 1944. There were no survivors. Since this time we have found that this plane actually crashed near Kessingland, England.

    There is very little information known. It is known they went on a mission to Germany and was returning to Seething. From witnesses on the ground the plane was hit, burst into flames and crashed to the ground.

    I know as well that he was a member of the 448th BG 715 BS.

    Please help with any information possible.
     
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    According to this site the 448th went to Hamm on 22Apr44

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    #6 FLYBOYJ, Jul 25, 2009
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    I'm on a mission now!



    HAMM , GERMANY------------------------------------------APRIL 22, 1944---#51

    "On this mission (Hamm 22 APR 1944), we returned at dusk. A group of aircraft was off in the distance as we approached the coast of England and were preparing to land and store our guns, etc.The distant aircraft broke formation as we did, as though going into the pattern to land. At that time, the ATS girls and other English Home Guard cut lose with a barrage of anti -aircraft fire. The Germans had flown with us on our trip home! By this time it was also dark. The 448th lost one after the crew bailed at Worlingham, another was shot down at Kessingland ,another shot down in the North Sea near Hopton, and one B-24 that was shot up by one of the intruders crash landed on the Seething Runway with two more B -24s following it in that crashed into it-- making it rather difficult to land.

    One aircraft The Vadie Raye burnt off to the side of the runway. We left the runway into the mud, becaue of those crashed planes in The RUTH. Others that were already there were Ice Cold Katie, Tondelayo,and the Sky Queen. The Tondelayo and The Ruth were repaired and returned to service. "The Ruth" continued flying combat missions untill Jan 45 when it crashed. If you have a copy of a book by Jeffery Brett on the 448th BGp he has included several pictures of the aircraft involved. Crew 48 was in the one identified by the "EI"-The RUTH E.K. I have been unable to obtain picures of the 448th aircraft.

    {If Sgt LaPoint reads this or anyone that knows him please ask him to contact me. I understand he has pictures of the aircraft we were in that was involved in that crash landing.) I believe also a picture of me being removed from a aircraft on a stretcher on my way to the hospital when I passed out on the Munster mission is available.}


    A night to remember! I recall that I had started to unload my guns and started reloading even faster. By that time our aircraft was bouncing on the runway and suddenly came to a halt. I recall we jumped out and took off to get away from the plane as a bandit swung by firing a few rounds as he went over. He was low to the ground and all that could be seen were his tracers and a dark shadow. I doubt that we could have seen that without the light of the burning aircraft to the side of the runway. I also recall lots of mud but that was nothing unusual on that installation. We waded Mud to go from our hut to the bathroom and showers.Someone found a few boards to make a walkway but they too were mud soon after placement. On completion of my missions I was placed on Guard duty in the hardstand area.. We still had an occasional visit from the Germans . It is reported that the damage we received that night, however, was from only 4 ME 410's. I'm certain none of us had time to count or see the aircraft in the moonlight well enough to determine the type or numbers. The loss could also be attributed to Friendly Fire that PM. Five of our aircraft tried to lay claim to the same end of the runway that PM. The Valdie Raye lit the area while the rest attempted to Park in a small space. Other Groups also lost aircraft that Night several - 8th AAF crash landed, were shot down, or wrecked that evening (see The Mighty 8th War Diary by Roger Freeman for more details).


    Our pilots memory of that evening-------
    "the first thing I remember about bandits was the burning B-24's on the ground and the as we approached our field the tower started yelling "bandits" and about this time red tracers started criss crossing in front of us. Heard no more from tower so made up mind to land even if too fast. WE landed long and came to a stop off the runway between two other B-24's which had landed previously----shut down and ran like hell---the other two crews were already in the revetment------------------------John "

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    #7 Njaco, Jul 26, 2009
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    Welcome to the forum Christy!

    from "Battles With The Luftwaffe" Theo Boiten Martin Bowman pg121 - 124....

    "The 11 B-24 groups of the 2nd BD meanwhile, sped back to England as darkness descended. They were still over the North Sea at the official blackout time of 2138 hours. Unbeknown to the crews, they were being chased by several Me-410A-1 intruders of II./KG 51. Led by 5./KG Staffelkapitaen Major Dietrich Puttfarken, the Me-410s had taken off from Soesterberg, Holland to infiltrate the returning bomber stream.....In an instant, a 448th BG B-24 flown by 1/Lt Cherry C. Pitts fireballed, plunged into the sea and vanished beneath the waves with all 10 crew....In the night's confusion, 12 Liberators crashed or crash-landed at Norfolk and Suffolk as a result of KG 51's actions. 38 American crewmen were killed and another 23 injured......"

    2 Me 410s were shot down including that of Staffelkapitaen Major Dietrich Puttfarken who was killed. There is a pic in the book of the crash of "Ice Cold Katie" ( 41-28595), "Tondelayo" (41-29240) and "Ruth E. K. Allah Hassid" (41-9575). I'll try to scan if you want.

    I know this might not be directly related to your search but may give you some background and info of the mission.

    and you want a weird coincidence? A B-24 named "Tondelayo" was lost in the ETO on 22 April 44 (as FlyboyJ posted) and another B-24 named "Tondelayo" was lost on 10 April 44 in the PTO ....

    http://www.b24bestweb.com/tondelayo-v3-2.htm

    two ships, same name, within 2 weeks.
     
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    Great info guys, very interesting to read.....
     
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    Ok someone asked for more information that I might of had.

    His name was S/SGT. James R. Hardin may have gone by JR.

    He was the top turret/eng. for a B24 bomber believed to have been called the "Repulsor"

    the a/c serial # is 41-28843.

    This was the crew:

    Pilot 2nd Lt Eugene V Pulcipher Buried at Cambridge American Military Cemetery, England

    Co-pilot 2nd Lt Elmer P Meier. Buried in USA.

    Navigator 2nd Lt George S Fahr Buried beside his brother in Brittany

    Bombardier 2nd Lt William Carcelli

    Radio Op S/Sgt Chester Romanosky.

    Engineer/gunner S/Sgt James R Hardin.

    Nose gunner Sgt William S Davis.

    Waist gunner Sgt William H Durant.

    Waist gunner Sgt Maynard H Young.

    Tail gunner Sgt Carl E Spellman Buried in USA

    From what can be told, this was only the second mission the crew flew since coming from USA. The first mission was to Bourges , France in B24H 42-52608, the mission took just over 6 hours and no fighters or flak was encountered.

    So from this info we believe they only flew 2 missions and both missions were in different planes.

    Thanks for all the help so far.

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    #10 vikingBerserker, Jul 26, 2009
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    Welcome to the site Christy. Hey... are we talking female here ? If so, that's good, we need more ladies..

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    Welcome to the forum Christy. These guys are a very helpful bunch and we enjoy it here. Hope you do as well.
     
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    Welcome to the forum from Sunny 8) southern California.
    I hope the information the guys have provided help you find your answers Christy.


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    Welcome aboard, Christy! Hope you find what you are looking for.
     
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    Gentlemen,

    First let me say thanks for the warm welcome. Now I want to thank all of you for the information you have provided me with.

    Here is what i can figure out. My uncle James R. Hardin flew his first mission on April 10, 1944 in B24 #42-52608 (a/c name unknown) Then on April 22, 1944 he flew is 2nd mission on B24 # 41-28843 "Repulser"

    So the mystery begins, it is still uncertain as to why the crew flew 2 missions both in different planes. Both planes according to serial # crashed on April 22, 1944 one over the English channel and one downed at Kessingland. The family was told my uncle's plane went down over the English Channel.

    Recently my grandmother was contacted by the English searching for relatives of the soldiers. They are wishing to have a memorial for the soldiers in Kessingland.

    It is to my understanding from the eyewitnesses that "Repulser" was hit and caught fire then crashed in marshland there, not sure how they know it was this particular plane or who was on it.

    Thanks again for all your help. I know a little about the military (married to a career Missouri National Guard Soldier) but this is all so fascinating.

    Christy
     
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    #18 vikingBerserker, Jul 27, 2009
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    You married a Missourian??? Me too. Maybe we could start a support group! :lol:

    From what I understand, sometimes crew members could/would switch out for one reason or another. So even though he might have flown on 2 seperate planes, it might have been with different crews.

    If you have not had the chance, look into FLYBOYJ's post #11, it could give you more info.

    Best of luck in your search.
     
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    Christy, we love mysteries and will try to help as best we can!
     
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