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found a few more......
 

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Cool!!

some good pics....the 8th one down in your selection is a new one to me Chris, looks like Hartmanns G-4/R6 "White 2" KJ+GU W.Nr 14997, got some shots of this one including a model! will add them soon!:D



- great model Wayne ! The pic you refer to was published by Erik Mombeeck in an 'Avions' magazine article. He also published this very nice shot from late 44 with 7./JG52. There's another great shot from this 'sequence' in Peter Düttmann's bio " Wo wir sind ist immer oben" - I've put that one on my blog


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gotta agree with Max. No K-4 that I have read or found.

found this:

"Note: There are no pictures of Hartmann's last 'Karaya' known. According to his own findings, he flew the K-4 version, as well as further some of his subordinates in this group. Therefore, one can conclude that Hartmann could have flown his last mission in a few hours before the ceasefire really a Bf 109K-4. Therefore we have chosen for this aircraft.."

not sure if it makes any difference.
 
found this:

"Note: There are no pictures of Hartmann's last 'Karaya' known. According to his own findings, he flew the K-4 version, as well as further some of his subordinates in this group. Therefore, one can conclude that Hartmann could have flown his last mission in a few hours before the ceasefire really a Bf 109K-4. Therefore we have chosen for this aircraft.."

not sure if it makes any difference.

I'm confused,whose own findings? Hartmann's. The only mention of a K type (not specifically a K IIRC) is in 'The Blonde Knight of Germany' written without access to his Flugbuch or the unit KTBs for the period

His last known aircraft was a G-10. This K nonsense started years back with a composite profile by Karl Ries in,I think,the old "Luftwaffe camouflage and markings" series.

Steve
 
approximate data:

Bf109D-1 From flight school
Bf109G-4 /R6 Wnr 14997. weisse 2+~ KJ+GU. (later Uffz. Herbert Meissler)
Bf109G-6 W.Nr- unknown. schwarze 10
Bf109G-6 W.Nr- unknown. weisse 20
Bf109G-6 W.Nr. 20499. gelbe1+~
Bf109G-6 W.Nr. 166221. gelbe1+~
Bf109G-14 W.Nr- unknown (51xxxx.?) weisse 1+- (later Uffz Anton Kellmayer 7 Staffel)
Bf109G-14 W.Nr- unknown.(492xxx ?) <<+ (I./JG53) (ex7, later 2)
Bf109G-10 W.Nr. - unknown (15xxxx.?) <<+-
Bf109G-10 (Bf-109G-14 AS or Bf-109G-6AS???? ) W.Nr and marking unknown
 
This K nonsense started years back with a composite profile by Karl Ries in,I think,the old "Luftwaffe camouflage and markings" series.

Steve
its not really non-sense. theres a well known Bf 109K-4 'Tulip nose' that flew with JG 52 (well flew with JG 50 but ended its service with JG 52). I think thats where the confusion started. also the pic with Hartmann in front of his G-10 (last pic in post #1) after his 350th aerial victory is a Erla-Leipzig built G-10 in the 490 XXX-492 XXX batch.
 
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I like the profiles with the full 365 kills painted on the tail.... :D

That's based on the one I referred to. I'm sure his ground crew would have wasted time on all that lovely art work so that they could blow it up a few days later!
You are absolutely right about the model kits its sold.

Ratsel Stab JG 52 had K-4s.

Cheers
Steve
 
approximate data:

Bf109D-1 From flight school
Bf109G-4 /R6 Wnr 14997. weisse 2+~ KJ+GU. (later Uffz. Herbert Meissler)
Bf109G-6 W.Nr- unknown. schwarze 10
Bf109G-6 W.Nr- unknown. weisse 20
Bf109G-6 W.Nr. 20499. gelbe1+~
Bf109G-6 W.Nr. 166221. gelbe1+~
Bf109G-14 W.Nr- unknown (51xxxx.?) weisse 1+- (later Uffz Anton Kellmayer 7 Staffel)
Bf109G-14 W.Nr- unknown.(492xxx ?) <<+ (I./JG53) (ex7, later 2)
Bf109G-10 W.Nr. - unknown (15xxxx.?) <<+-
Bf109G-10 (Bf-109G-14 AS or Bf-109G-6AS???? ) W.Nr and marking unknown

We can add the new discovered Bf 109G-6 "yellow 1 with small red 2 inside" flown on 4 june 1944 (source "Wing of the Black cross" nr.7) .

Please Wotan were did you find the information regarding Bf109G-6s "schwarze 10" and "weisse 20" flown by Hartmann? Can you add more info about these two planes?
Thank you
Flavio
 

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