History according to random people...

[GrauGeist]

My "assault weapon" of choice.

It's great for close-quarter situations. Don't have to worry about stray rounds penetrating neighbor's walls. It's quiet, never jams and will never have an issue with "high capacity assault clips"...

Oh, forgot to add that in an emergency, it can also slice bacon

 

[Gnomey]

Oh, forgot to add that in an emergency, it can also slice bacon

And that has to be the key point for any assault weapon ...

 

[mikewint]

in that case:

View: https://youtu.be/V7UW5AkWqOY

 

[Airframes]

But he'd be b*lloxed trying to fry the egg to go with the bacon !
Like it though.

 

[stona]

The 'machine pistol' supposedly made with parts from Home Depot looks more like a sub machine gun. In British English usage those two are not the same thing.
Why are assault rifles and assault weapons being confused? Surely just about any weapon can be described thus, even the rolled up newspaper with which I intend to hit the guy who wrote that table
Cheers
Steve

 

[Shortround6]

Assault gun/rifle/pistol/etc seems to be defined by whoever is writing the article/law or speaking with no regards to historical usage or common definitions in the field of expertise. As in politicians defining ANY rifle with over a 10 round feed device (not detachable magazine) as an assault rifle. Such as
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One of the first weapons called an assault gun.

 

[mikewint]

Steve, SUBmachine gun is not a legally defined term and as such is used in different places to mean different things. In the USofA:
Code of Federal Regulations Title 27 Chapter II Subchapter B Part 478 Subpart B Section 478.11
When used in this part and in forms prescribed under this part, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof, terms shall have the meanings ascribed in this section. Words in the plural form shall include the singular, and vice versa, and words importing the masculine gender shall include the feminine. The terms "includes" and "including" do not exclude other things not enumerated which are in the same general class or are otherwise within the scope thereof.
Handgun.
(a) Any firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand; and
(b) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in paragraph (a) can be assembled.
Pistol.
A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
Revolver.
A projectile weapon, of the pistol type, having a breechloading chambered cylinder so arranged that the cocking of the hammer or movement of the trigger rotates it and brings the next cartridge in line with the barrel for firing.
Semiautomatic pistol.
Any repeating pistol which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
Machinegun
Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
The following is NOT included and is not a LEGAL term
Submachine Gun
An air-cooled, magazine-fed, automatic carbine designed to fire pistol cartridges. The term "submachine gun" was coined by John T. Thompson, the inventor of the Thompson submachine gun. Thompson added the "sub-" prefix to denote the fact that his Machinegun used Pistol ammunition rather than Rifle ammunition. British Commonwealth sources often refer to SMGs as "machine carbines". Other sources refer to SMGs as "machine pistols" because they fire pistol-caliber ammunition, for example, the MP-40 and MP5, where "MP" stands for Maschinenpistole ("machine pistol" in German). However, the term "machine pistol" is also used to describe a handgun-style firearm capable of fully automatic or burst fire, such as the Stechkin, Beretta 93R and the H&K VP70. Personal Defence Weapons (PDW) such as the FN P90 and H&K MP7 are also commonly referred to as submachine guns. In addition, some compact rifles, such as the Colt XM177, HK53 and AKS-74U, are also referred to as SMGs, because they are used in the submachine gun role.

 

[GrauGeist]

One of the first weapons called an assault gun.

Now that's going to be a little difficult to conceal under a jacket!

 

[mikewint]

IT'S NOT WHAT IT IS, IT'S WHATCHA CALL IT THAT COUNTS:
The Mare's Laig was the name given to a customized shortened rifle used by Steve McQueen's character on the television series Wanted: Dead or Alive (1958–1961). McQueen's character was named Josh Randall, and the gun has also been referred to as a Winchester Randall, or a Randall Special. "Mare's leg" is now a generic term for a Winchester Model 1892 (or modern derivative) with a shortened barrel and stock.
In the United States under the National Firearms Act, to make a short barreled rifle from a firearm originally made and sold as a rifle requires payment of $200.00 for a tax stamp, approval from the BATFE and federal registration. However, a "lever action pistol" made and sold subject to BATFE regulations is treated as a pistol by federal law. While most states will allow the purchase of Mare's Leg lever action pistols, California and New York have banned this gun from being sold in their individual states.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I love me some firearms guys, but lets try and get this back on topic.

Knowing the history of some of you guys, I see this eventually dabling into the realm of politics, as most firearms in America discussions go here on this forum.

I will reopen the "Guns We Own" thread that was closed because of it going all political, that way you have a thread for guns again. Just don't go all political again. Ok?

 

[GrauGeist]

Well - it never ends...

A pictorial article about the Titanic launches some extremely interesting comments.

Not sure what to think about this, but I imagine everyone is just as surprised as I am to learn about the German attack on San Francisco:

Larry I have done exhaustive research on the original blueprints of the Titanic and most people don't know about the secret tunnel systems and burial chambers deep within Titanics hull. In 1943 famed adventurer and researcher Dr Artemis Renfro discovered the secret blueprint scrolls of Thomas Andrews, designer of the RMS Titanic in the basement of a San Francisco clothing store just before it was bombed by the Nazi Luftwaffe on August 15. Barely making it out alive, Dr Renfro committed the blueprints onto 17 napkins from memory. (These napkins are now proudly on display at the Titanic museum in Belfast)
If you'd like to learn more, check out Dr. Artemis Renfros book, "The Slippery Nazi Anus" published in 1951.
Sean I didn't know that San Francisco was bombed by the Nazis
Larry Extensively..
Joseph Larry Really ?? San Francisco ?? I am not aware of a San Francisco in England !
Larry Yes, after Hitler perfected the V-1 "Buzz bomb" bombing England, he commissioned the V-2 rocket for the Californian front. It was a grave error on his part, committing armies to fight on 3 fronts, the Russian front, the English front and the Californian front. Just like the Japanese bombings of the Great Lakes..it was a true test of the Michigander fighting spirit.
Nigel I cant find any article on this?
Thomas Larry The Japs never bombed the Great Lakes, and Nazi Germany never bombed California or any other part of the USA. Er do you drink a lot?
Larry I have been told that i should actually drink more often..but the facts remain, we nearly lost California to Germany in April of 1944, If it hadn't been for the heroics of General Patton and the 8th armored division. The Japanese surrendered the Great Lakes on November 12th, 1945 after we dropped an Atomic bomb on Sault Saint Marie..get your history straight man, next you'll tell me the Viet Cong didn't occupy central park in 1969. Sheesh.

Either Larry is pulling everyone's chain or he's been smoking some seriously strong stuff.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

He is pulling everyones chain...

 

[Airframes]

Either that, or he's a Hollywood script writer .....................

 

[Shortround6]

Documentaries!!

 

[stona]

He's pulling chains, but even then he has misidentified the designer of the Titanic. He is not alone in this. The ever unreliable Wikipedia gets its facts seriously tangled up on this. The man who designed the Olympic class liners was Alexander Carlisle who had been chief naval architect at Harland and Wolff since 1889. Thomas Andrews, often credited with the design, merely took over when Carlisle resigned in June 1910. At this time Olympic was plated and four months away from launch and Titanic was in frame. When Andrews took over both the design and most ongoing design decisions had been taken, the former years earlier.

I blame film for this. In this case not 'Hollywood history' as the culprit is the 1958 film 'A Night to Remember'. However many of the factual inaccuracies in that film carried over to the later 'Titanic'.

Cheers

Steve

 

[mikewint]

Chris, Thank you for reopening that thread. It is difficult to stay apolitical with what has become an increasingly hot topic.
Let's see. How about quotes from that stunningly intellectual product of the finest private schools: Paris Hilton

Despite the fact that Adolph Hitler is hated everywhere, he was very intelligent and only lost because of his inadequate generals who decided not to completely swarm Paris and not to finish bombing Britain. These were the main reasons why Germany lost in World War II. And they were not the faults of Adolph Hitler.

"RIP Nelson Mandela. Your I have a dream speech was beautiful."

"Wal-mart. Do they make walls there? "

"What's a Soup Kitchen? "

 

[GrauGeist]

He's pulling chains, but even then he has misidentified the designer of the Titanic. He is not alone in this. The ever unreliable Wikipedia gets its facts seriously tangled up on this. The man who designed the Olympic class liners was Alexander Carlisle who had been chief naval architect at Harland and Wolff since 1889. Thomas Andrews, often credited with the design, merely took over when Carlisle resigned in June 1910. At this time Olympic was plated and four months away from launch and Titanic was in frame. When Andrews took over both the design and most ongoing design decisions had been taken, the former years earlier.

I blame film for this. In this case not 'Hollywood history' as the culprit is the 1958 film 'A Night to Remember'. However many of the factual inaccuracies in that film carried over to the later 'Titanic'.

Cheers

Steve

You know that the archived film footage of the Olympic in New York was passed off as the Titanic at the time and because of that, the names of the tugboats were edited out.
As it happens, now there is a group of conspiracy theorists (big surprise) who have come up with all sorts of fantasies based on that footage: like the Titanic never existed, it never sank, it was confiscated by the government and used as a warship, etc. etc.

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Chris, Thank you for reopening that thread. It is difficult to stay apolitical with what has become an increasingly hot topic.

No it is not difficult. It is pretty easy. There is a time and place, and you keep such discussions for there time and place.

 

[Airframes]

I've just been looking at the UK air shows calendar listings for this year, and decided to then visit the web site for the Great Yorkshire Air Fest, to be held at Church Fenton on July 2nd this year.
Now bear in mind that this was the official web site for the show, presumably designed by, or for, the show organisers, for a well established, annual show held on a RAF airfield.
It would seem that not only the poor uneducated members of the 'History according to ...' fraternity are lacking in general military or aviation knowledge, but some air show organisers are too, because, according to the above-mentioned official web-site, at this show, one can see a P-51 Mustang fighter jet, and a Catalina boat-plane, as well as the 'infamous' B-25 bomber.
With that sort of informed description of participants, and the fact that the show is now downgraded from two days to one, methinks I'll be giving it a miss - shame, as there's going to be two SAAB products there I would have liked to have seen, the Viggen and the Draken, which I believe are a people carrier and luxury saloon respectively ...................

 

[GrauGeist]

Such a shame, Terry...I would love a chance to see a P-51 fighter jet!

As far as the boat-plane, just like any ship can be a submarine, so too can any aircraft be a boat - once.