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Can I ask what make you think that the Germans would have sorted the P-38 issues more effectively than the USA? The US threw a lot of resources into resolving the issues and I cannot see how the Germans or anyone else would have done the job any quicker.
Dang Amsel, you're right...it is his sig!Looks like the Brewster is his sig.
Nice sig btw.
U'd shoot a hellovalot of .50 cal rounds to drop a B-17.....
Vincenzo, I must challenge your notion that the good American fighters came when the war in Europe was already done, when the P-38, P-47 and even the P-51 were introduced in the ETO, the war in Europe was reaching its climax but still was far from over. Even the P-51B which began to see action in late 1943 was present when the Allies turned the tide of the war against Nazi Germany; if the P-38 or P-51 would had been designed in Germany in the same period of time they were designed in the US, from the beginning they would had been matched with the Daimler-Benz engine and therefore would had been a threat to the allies bombers they historically defended.
I don't think the Luftwaffe would thank you for flip-flopping the Hurricane...I'm thinking on Spitfire or Hurricane. The US good fighters coming too late the path of war was already done. Need take something that can win the BoB at luftwaffe, something that can change the war.
P-47 it's not good choice, what engine can put in it the Germans??
Your 'path of war' was far from done in 1942 wrt to US fightersP-38, the first, come in very late '42 too late for change the war, need exchange course of war before, maybe in '40
P-38, the first, come in very late '42 too late for change the war, need exchange course of war before, maybe in '40
In all the history books I have read, it is widely accepted that it was 1943 the year when the Allies were gaining momentun against the Axis powers and 1944 the decisive year which marked the fate of the Axis nations with an important progress for the Allies in both Europe and the Pacific which was almost irreversible for the Third Reich and the Japanese empire and by this time the US had fully deployed its military force throughout both theaters.
Is that Bonnie and Clyde's car?
drgondog, i don't remembered of aleutians P-38, in your scenario P-38 maybe good choice if with is lw can win BoB.
i'm not understand the flip-flop is only for airframe or also for engine?
If I understood the question it was which plane (entire system) so if it is Mustang, then Merlin, if P-38 then Allison. What I suggested is take each airframe design and install German equipment if available and basically same performance.
The P-38 could have easily installed the DB series (smaller engine) and obtained good perfromance with same engine as Me 109E. Ditto P-51. In fact the P-51A could have installed the DB engines in fall of 1940 to achieve better results immediately and grow the system as the improved versions of DB 603/605 became available - ditto the P-38
if it's valid for engine take out merlin also give a net advantage on lw in BoB, RAF must use fighter with mercury or peregrine.
i try to explain my general position:
we can choice a plane for this flip-flop
surely first choice it's a plane that can do possible Axis win war (if there is a so plane).
Remember the question was about defeating the 8th AF. The 8th AF started combat ops August 17, 1942 - so the debate is which Allied Fighter do you take away from Allies and give to Luftwaffe to help defeat the 8th AF.
If there isn't a so plane it's surely usefull a plane can stop, delayed, lighter, the bombing offensive.
It's hard tell last data for Axis victory but imho summer '42 (for some people it's already too late)
Germany was still very much in the game by '42It's hard tell last data for Axis victory but imho summer '42 (for some people it's already too late)