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Hello folks, at first i dont want to offend in his religious behaviour, but maybe you have read or seen on TV the story about the 9 year old girl who was raped through the last 3 years and now she was pregnant with twins. The twins were aborted in a clinic otherwise the girl would suffer and die.
Now a crazy bishop excomunicated the girl, her family and the the people who made the abortion, and he said he had to this and he ( the catholic church ) had to save the life of the unborn twins instead of the mother.
How crazy is this ?
A 9 year old girl who was raped will be a second time treated in a bad way by her church. For my opinion this is darkest medieaval age thinking.
In my opinion this bishop should shut up his face and think before he says such nonsense.
It can be discussed if abortion is the right way but not if a child is involved or if the femals person becomes pregnant by rape; than is only her decision and not a dicision of a court or the church.
greets
Thomas
Hehe, I love how the Athiests say they want peace acceptance and then they go on with a complete lack of tolerance for anyone religious, mocking them for being so. Talk about contradicting yourself..
Maestro - clearly you cannot help yourself. That view of the Catholic Church as a whole is as ill founded as smearing the entire American, German, or Japanese people for the actions of the government in the past, or as associating the actions of some Muslim clerics to all of Islam.
The sexual abuse scandal is a terrible thing, and deeply upsetting. It's difficult to identify a rooted cause for it within the Church. A search of sex offenders of my own zip code returns dozens of offenders. There are caes breaking out all the time of sexual abuse by teachers, Rabbis, Mormons, etc.
The individuals in the Church did not handle sexual abuse cases properly in the past, which is acknowledged by the difference in which accusations and allegations are handled.
Your Russian mafia comment is simply ridiculous.
As far as the Pope's comment regarding condoms - it was purposefully put out of context, and it seems that you don't mind that at all, since it fits your hostility toward the Church. Relying upon condoms is not going to bring about the end of HIV.
People will not always use condoms when they have them, they'll forget them, and do what they will anyway. Distributing condoms only serves to promote a type of lifestyle that contributes to the spreading of HIV.
What are your opinionsd on this then?
F.C.F.C.'s page
The Vatican'
Nopedo - Other crimes of the Catholic Church
Is ANY of it true?!
I could go into my little story on my religious beliefs, but it would mirror thousands and thousands of similar stories on how someone lost their faith, but no one should be picking on Maestros choice of religious reflection, nor find his displeasure at the acts of the Catholic Church insulting...
He is entitled to his opinion of God just like I am and Eric is and Matt is.... To have faith in SOMETHING is still faith, and thats what it boils down to.... In my opinion, the severely over-driven religions are doing nothing more than trying to control its followers to the testaments and decrees of ancient times....
Its just not realistic anymore to act and behave the same way that religious supporters were taught 2000 years ago.... Like everything else, it should evolve...
Ive read this entire thread, including the links, and I still dont see how anyone can defend the Church in this instance... I wonder if the rapist was a Priest or a Deacon would such a display have happened???
Confess and ur un-excommunicated??? What would a 9 year old girl have to confess about her rape??? That the skirt she was wearing was too short?? It wasnt her choice to get raped, nor was it her choice to get the abortion....
So she should go into confession and lie, just so she can get to eat her nasty tasting cardboard wafers???
Question tho, the Priests and religious types that are convicted/busted on their child rape/homosexual conquests, do they get excommunicated as well, and if so, do they get forgiveness if they confess they are scumbag motherfu*kers that took advantage of the innocent children of their Faith???
I could go into my little story on my religious beliefs, but it would mirror thousands and thousands of similar stories on how someone lost their faith, but no one should be picking on Maestros choice of religious reflection, nor find his displeasure at the acts of the Catholic Church insulting...
He is entitled to his opinion of God just like I am and Eric is and Matt is.... To have faith in SOMETHING is still faith, and thats what it boils down to.... In my opinion, the severely over-driven religions are doing nothing more than trying to control its followers to the testaments and decrees of ancient times....
Its just not realistic anymore to act and behave the same way that religious supporters were taught 2000 years ago.... Like everything else, it should evolve...
Ive read this entire thread, including the links, and I still dont see how anyone can defend the Church in this instance... I wonder if the rapist was a Priest or a Deacon would such a display have happened???
Confess and ur un-excommunicated??? What would a 9 year old girl have to confess about her rape??? That the skirt she was wearing was too short?? It wasnt her choice to get raped, nor was it her choice to get the abortion....
So she should go into confession and lie, just so she can get to eat her nasty tasting cardboard wafers???
Question tho, the Priests and religious types that are convicted/busted on their child rape/homosexual conquests, do they get excommunicated as well, and if so, do they get forgiveness if they confess they are scumbag motherfu*kers that took advantage of the innocent children of their Faith???
Was just general question Maestro, not really directed at anyone.Isn't also the Catholic Church the only religion with a HQ or what you want to call it? Can't remember that the Protestant, Jewish etc. religions have anything remotely similar to the Vatican, maybe I'm wrong...
I think that you don't have to go to church to believe in God. I'm of the opinion that everyone can believe in God or any other higher power in their own personal way.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I was referring to ordered engagement with local authorities regarding an accusation. I thought that was clear.Sexcrimes within the Church are still handled that way, my friend. Re-read my post, you'll see one or two stories that happened in the late 90s and in 2005-2008. And they were only a few exemples. If you dig a little deeper, you'll find at least one cause of sexcrime commited by a catholic priest in Canada every year since the late 50s.
... And most of them were covered up by either Archbishops, Cardinals or even the Pope himself.
And of course the use of condom will not bring an end to AIDS, but it can greatly help to reduce the cases of HIV infections.
Unfortunately, it is now my turn to call that comment ridiculous. If we give condoms to peoples, it can make them think twice before screwing without using a type of protection. Having sex when you use a condom is in no way dangerous.
While, to some extends, having unprotected sex with your wife (or husband) is unsafe. Because you don't know if he/she cheated on you recently... And if it did happen, if he/she used a condom. You have to thrust him/her.
So all that "no sex before wedding" story that we can hear in every religion is just a load of bullsh*t. If your married with your wife for 20 years (even though you were both virgin at wedding), it doesn't prevent you from getting a VD since your wife could... erhm... "look somewhere else" afterward.
So as you can see, there is only one way to control the spreading of VDs (not only AIDS, but all VDs) : education and protection. Religion won't help anyone in any way.
Shouldn't the lack of sources strike as suspect?But if you want my advice, then... well... I don't quite know. It seems pretty believable... So it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
Can you really validate a statement like that?All I can tell you is that Catholic priests over here (Province of Québec) were encouraging peoples to pray for Hitler... To make sure he succeeded in destroying the "comunist empire".
Also, the Vatican always wanted to kill other religions or nations with a different line of thoughts and had some "black ops" going on all the time... Just remember the Templars back in the Crusades : foreign knights (mostly German) being hired by the pope to take Jerusalem.
And what about the (Catholic) Irish priests encouraging the revolution against a (Protestant) English King/Queen throughout the 20th century ? Or the Vatican encouraging an Anglo-Spanish war to remove Elizabeth I (a Protestant) from the English throne ?
I'm sure there is more, but that's all I can think of right now.
I agree. It's not about "displeasure" regarding the Catholic Church. That is fine, and perfectly respectable - even encouraged. It is about some of the comments throughout the thread, not really even Maestro.I could go into my little story on my religious beliefs, but it would mirror thousands and thousands of similar stories on how someone lost their faith, but no one should be picking on Maestros choice of religious reflection, nor find his displeasure at the acts of the Catholic Church insulting...
In my opinion, it depends what exactly we're referring to. I believe that a lot of the teachings and morals from many religions are timeless across the board. I am also completely against the concept of moral relativity. I am afraid that many in the US operate without a moral compass... maybe that is because I grew up in NJHe is entitled to his opinion of God just like I am and Eric is and Matt is.... To have faith in SOMETHING is still faith, and thats what it boils down to.... In my opinion, the severely over-driven religions are doing nothing more than trying to control its followers to the testaments and decrees of ancient times....
Its just not realistic anymore to act and behave the same way that religious supporters were taught 2000 years ago.... Like everything else, it should evolve...
It's a terrible situation. I think that what it really comes down to is the right of the unborn twins to life vs increased risk to the girl's life as the pregnancy evolves in addition to the incomprehensible emotional and physical pain and suffering.Ive read this entire thread, including the links, and I still dont see how anyone can defend the Church in this instance... I wonder if the rapist was a Priest or a Deacon would such a display have happened???
The girl was not excommunicated.Confess and ur un-excommunicated??? What would a 9 year old girl have to confess about her rape??? That the skirt she was wearing was too short?? It wasnt her choice to get raped, nor was it her choice to get the abortion....
I personally would like to see punishments for sex offenders much more severe across the board, and priests are no exception.Question tho, the Priests and religious types that are convicted/busted on their child rape/homosexual conquests, do they get excommunicated as well, and if so, do they get forgiveness if they confess they are scumbag motherfu*kers that took advantage of the innocent children of their Faith???