How good was the soviet air force? (1 Viewer)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

This thread is turning into 90% politics. Meh.

As long as it remains within a WW2 historical context its ok.

 

[Ernest (Russia)]

What's your favorite airplane? Mine is the B-17, all variants.

Wright's Flyer B. But why here?
+ My points are: prehistory of aviation and astronautics, aviapioneers before and during the Great War (technology, reco and bombing without aces), innovations of the 1920s in the US, France, UK, USSR aviation near 1941, turbo-jet and supersonic pioneers, XX century wars. I want to learn more about the history of French aviation.

 

[tomo pauk]

As long as it remains within a WW2 historical context its ok.

Okay.

 

[SaparotRob]

Wright's Flyer B. But why here?
+ My points are: prehistory of aviation and astronautics, aviapioneers before and during the Great War (technology, reco and bombing without aces), innovations of the 1920s in the US, France, UK, USSR aviation near 1941, turbo-jet and supersonic pioneers, XX century wars. I want to learn more about the history of French aviation.

You asked for a tough aviation question.

 

[Ernest (Russia)]

You asked for a tough aviation question.

About the subject.

 

[SaparotRob]

That's as tough as I get.

 

[Ernest (Russia)]

On this topic, a self ad break. This is an article that I wrote about a General Aviadesigner (in the USSR, this is a very high), I have been searching for his portrait for a couple of years. Aviation experts don't usually know that the pre- and post-war Pashinin - successor of Lavochkin - are one person, and that he is General. He was also an official spy in the UK and a participant in the well-known kidnap of the Derwent and Nene.
Look at the tables. I inserted out of hooligan motives. Post-Soviet aviation historians usually don't rely on these data, some give them without analysis or conclusions. Also, let's take a look at the locations of new aircraft factories, since geography in the USSR is not clear to you. In my opinion, these lists are indicative in context.
Defects: (1) I wrote the article in bad difficult Russian. (2) It is very difficult to provide photos for a wikipedia. Wiki-supervisor from the USA seriously demanded that I provide permission to a photographer from the Cheka, who photographed the colonel during the war for personal file. Such are the cruel mores, if anyone does not know. (3) The article should be neutral writing about the mass sacrifices of my immediate grandparents. I've learned.
Google helps us.
ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пашинин,_Михаил_Михайлович

 

[Snautzer01]

I can offer a comparison of the quality that was made by the experts of the USSR at that time. In 1946, almost all fighters were scrapped. You will not find traces of tens of thousands of aircraft in the post-war world. In 1947, the USSR continued production after a pause to review their designs and technology. The famous La-7, for example, was immediately replaced by La-9. Yak-9 became known as Yak-9U. Read about it. But foreign fighters remained in service until 1953. The USSR produced many MiG-15s, but kept the P-63 at advanced airfields.

Maybe the pre-war production is high-quality? There were also records. But again, tens of thousands of aircraft had already disappeared in the summer of 1941, after two months of war. Isn't it interesting where? There were more planes than in the whole world at once. Including the USA and Japan. In August, the first British combat aircraft arrived in the USSR (Barbarossa - July). Let me remind you that the British had fought off LW by that time, and soon they would launch an air offensive to Germany in the spring of 1942, when the record holders from the USSR would concentrate so as not to run away.
Find an opinion that not the best Lend-Lease aircraft in the West are worse than the Soviet ones by quality. I know that Stalin personally said that the Hurricane was not suitable in 1942... And he demanded more Hurricanes to 1944.

And then it would be good to have statistics with a single measurement methodology. Right? You were asked to look for the good among the bad, you demand statistics. Look for the good ones.
The USA, UK, Germany, Japan did not stoop to replacing one kind of tree with another worse and without drying. They did not consider it possible to produce airplanes without radio sets, etc. Before statistical, it is worth conducting at least some kind of qualitative analysis.
Until then, you have an opinion not based in mathematical probability. That opinion might be right or might be wrong, but it is hardly a representative valid quality opinion.

So ask about the facts, and don't repeat your opinion. I'm asking you, I'm giving you new arguments. Repetition is well for propaganda.

1. Another country participated in the Great War. The Communists thoroughly destroyed, first of all, its culture. Sikorsky is notable in tsarist Russia, he became a great US engineer. However, the USA, UK, and France are full of the greatest.
2. Records are not an criteria. Italy and France have a lot of records back then. And?
The USSR started a war with the largest air forces in the world. In 5 months, he lost the entire army and most of the country's population. He lost the pre-war AF completely.
3. Korea and Vietnam, Sputnik and Gagarin later. And he didn't show anything good in the air war. Actually, after Korea, it was decided that the Soviet AF should not dominate the air. Because they never dominated, no matter how.
4. We know that the USSR occupied advanced Eastern Europe and part of Germany. I can argue about the cosmonautics of the USSR in detail, but not here. If you want, I can describe my opinion in three long sentences. It is rare, I warn you. But I will not defend it.
In the USSR, engineers recognized Western technology and quality back then. My father is a Soviet rocket engineer, graduated from Voenmekh in the early 1950s. His opinion is more important than yours, not only for me. Something is wrong with your criteria and methods. Your conclusions do not agree with the facts.
5. In particular, the USSR is not the winner in the war, but the people are the victim. Like the China did not win either, but participated on the side of the winners. From here I can start discussing the quality of Soviet factories, which I have studied for a long time.
My hobby: the urgent fighter program in the USSR 1940-1941. About records: the number of projects for SINGLE-seat fighters alone that year is a 27 very different projects have been started! But only 5 of them are usually discussed: MiG-3, Yak-1, LaGG-3, I-180, and 185. More than 27 possible. Stalin personally supervised this mess. This is the year when, say, Typhoon, Mustang, Corsair flew.

I gues i know why most of war time and close post time were scrapped.
How many ton of high grade air industry worth grade alloyes went to soviet union beyond 1945?
And how many ton did they make themselves? In war....
Yes the came up short by quite a margin.
Lend lease stopped.