It's 1940 and you're....

[Thorlifter]

Joy, I agree that different countries had some better equipment than the US did in 1940. That's why I asked if we get to mix and match. I started with US equipment, but if we can, then I'd like to get the German pocket battleships, the japanese destroyers, England's or German fighters, Germany's medium bombers, etc.

I already removed the escort destroyers.

Please more comments so we can turn back the bad guys.

 

[joy17782]

yes but the british were more capableof substaneing battle battle damage OK GOT THE SHIPS IN THE PIC first one is the richelive , french, third is the littorio,itailian second a early french battle ship , looks like its german but it is not there is no rear bottom turent the ship was built in early 1930 the carrier is japanese i think light carrier class .

 

[joy17782]

well since the emeny is now useing different ships we can too right , i also think we should look at dutch subs too !!!!!!!!!! they had better subs then the germans . hydrogen subs and also they already had snorkels on there subs the snorkel let them stay under water < also need too ask the spy about shore insulations , ie for attack let me do some resherch for a huor or two and get back with you , the ships we need should be good in attach and defense , , i think the colonies he is refering too is the dutch east indies, they discovered oil there in late 30s

 

[Lucky13]

Two of the heavy bomber prototypes during trials....

 

[Lucky13]

The three battleships are from top Richelieu, Roma and Vittori Veneto....

 

[Arsenal VG-33]

Planes are top: Piaggio P.108

bottom: Petlyakov Pe-8

 

[Lucky13]

These are "enemy" aircraft" though....took some lesser known ones, so they wouldn't be so easily recognised....I thought...

 

[joy17782]

Well the french and itailian ships do look very much alike , both of there med fleets were almost copies of each other hey i got 2 right just from looking at them and thinking , now im home and got my books ,,,,, OK i know what sub we should use it a dutch version that was built in 37 its the o class it has a snorkel no other subs had these in operational use untill the germans did in 43, a snorkel let it deseils run while underwater too charge the batts and vent air also it has a range of 10,000 n,miles at 8.9 knots 6 tubes and dept 175 meters crush dept unknown , speed 19.5 knots underwater on batts 12,3 knots at 5 hours 6 tubes carries 20 torps , these were beter subs then anyone had at the time in 1940 also sonar was atlas werks , the best in the world at the time , remember when we build this fllet dont look at the men or the countries just go on the ships strengths and dont forget alot of the little guys had good stuff

 

[timshatz]

There were Escort Carriers in 1940. Just barely but they'd finished building them. Here is a link to the HMS Archer.

HMS Archer, British escort carrier, WW2

As for the DEs, could we consider the Sloop a DE? I was working on that assumption. It works if we change the name. Here is a link to Wiki on the Sloop:

Black Swan class sloop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the Carrier question, Brits had lower compliments than US carriers because the Armor deck was the flight deck. That meant a lower ceiling in the Hanger Deck or the ship had problem with stability. For the US, the Hanger Deck was the Armor deck. What it mean was the US ships had a larger compliment of aircraft. For our purposes, 60 vs 90 is fine. No need to get into the nitty gritty.

As for what the other guys have in terms of ships (not having any specs on them and just going on the eyeball), I would say, "Oy-vey". It is obvious they are more recent designs than the Pennsylvannias. Probably have the edge in speed. No ideas on the armor or guns.

Carrier and planes are unknown.

It shows our opposition is building. We are in an arms race. Do they have the capacity to build fleets of two different types of 4 engined bombers, and a fleet as well. We know the size of our fleet and how much it would take, where will there be gaps in the opposition's equipment. Maybe the opposition's carrier planes?

Dunno. The more we know, the more questions we ask.

 

[joy17782]

, but i was i-balling the pics no radar , we should go with jap class destroyers and american class , japs we can use long lanz torps good ones , american because of the fire power , 5 inch dual purpose , i say the large americain fleet destroyers for fleet defense , jap class for there offense punch of the torps, also would like too add that as far as batts go there ok but wouldnt heavy crussiers and aircraft carriers be the way too go but have a bunch of them, and a heavy cruiser is better then a light one lol why take up ship yard space with the light ones just use the german schanhorst class .but then agian these german ships were not ment too punch it out with other cruisers, they were raiders really

 

[DBII]

Great thread. Are some of the B-17 for long range patrol or they for multi purpose? Is there any intel on the other countries OOB?

DBII

 

[Thorlifter]

I'm sure they will be used for whatever roll they need to be used for, but remember, we also have PBY Catalina's

 

[magnocain]

Isn't this fictional? My questions are:

Do you have to use things operational by 1940?
Do you have to use actual units?
Can they be any nationality?
How big is this country? The size of England? Ireland? Hawaii? Australia?
Is it a rich nation or a poor nation?
Is it not in our universe, only with our technology?
Can you name the classes of ships as long as you specify their abilities?

Just to clarify a bit.

 

[joy17782]

Well i think the class and nat of the ship would be ok and i think we are mixeing the enemy is look at pics 2 page 1 french ship 2 itailian, and also the bombers plus the aircraft carrier is a KAGA class displacement 42,000 tons speed 28 knots crew 2016 90 aircraft , and since its 1940 we have use only operational classes of ship , but i think if there on sea trails thats cool too , . im still working on mine will have my navy posted tonight or tommrow PS thor look over what ill post and see if we might want too add some of my list on too yours .

 

[Freebird]

1: This our country is an island nation.

2: We are a maritime nation.

3: We have to import rubber, tin, copper, aluminium among other things...but we do have our own iron ore and coal mines.

4: Key threats are TWO other nations, which we've been in conflict with before in the past. We're not the biggest nation of the three, but more in between the two in size and population, they're also almost on our doorstep.

5: We have an Air Force, but our Naval Aviation is just about to celebrate it's 20th birthday.

6: We have colonies that has been supplying us with what we need minerals etc. and so does our "neighbours", but they haven't been so lucky. Our colonies are on the other side of the world. They have also just discovered oil in our colonies!

I hope that this will help a wee bit...

Ok, you have just described the UK here! Island nation, Maritime power, rich colonies on the other side of the world, two major opponents nearby, one larger one smaller {Germany, Italy}, they envy our colonies, both are Naval threats with subs bombers.

There were Escort Carriers in 1940. Just barely but they'd finished building them. Here is a link to the HMS Archer.

HMS Archer, British escort carrier, WW2

As for the DEs, could we consider the Sloop a DE? I was working on that assumption. It works if we change the name. Here is a link to Wiki on the Sloop:

Black Swan class sloop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the Carrier question, Brits had lower compliments than US carriers because the Armor deck was the flight deck. That meant a lower ceiling in the Hanger Deck or the ship had problem with stability. For the US, the Hanger Deck was the Armor deck. What it mean was the US ships had a larger compliment of aircraft. For our purposes, 60 vs 90 is fine. No need to get into the nitty gritty.

As for what the other guys have in terms of ships (not having any specs on them and just going on the eyeball), I would say, "Oy-vey". It is obvious they are more recent designs than the Pennsylvannias. Probably have the edge in speed. No ideas on the armor or guns.

Carrier and planes are unknown.

It shows our opposition is building. We are in an arms race. Do they have the capacity to build fleets of two different types of 4 engined bombers, and a fleet as well. We know the size of our fleet and how much it would take, where will there be gaps in the opposition's equipment. Maybe the opposition's carrier planes?

Dunno. The more we know, the more questions we ask.

Excellent Naval post Tim, {as usual! }

You are right about the Sloops, they would be called DE's in the US.

As for "escort carriers", there is not much difference from early war "CVL's" {Hosho, Argus, Eagle, Hermes}, 20 - 25 aircraft 20 - 25 Knots, and the later "CVE's", 18 - 20 aircraft 18 knots.

I think its a bit difficult to judge a hypothetical nation, but if we take the UK as an example, and their situation in 1939 - 1940, and see if they had good Naval planning. I have to say from the start that the more I read about the Royal Navy the more respect I have for Adm. Pound the Admiralty, I think they did very well in both planning execution, I can't find any major faults with their pre-war plans.

First lets look at the opposing fleets and see how they shape up. The Admiralty was very well prepared in planning for a future conflict, which they assumed would be with Germany, italy Japan. (real genius to predict that! )

The Naval plan was that they would have to face the entire German Navy, and 50% of the Japanese navy. {The Italian navy in the Med would be dealt by the French, while the other half of the Japanese fleet would be facing the USA.} The British correctly predicted that war with Japan would only occur if the US was involved as well, as Japan would not risk attacking Malaya Singapore with the US fleet in Manila at their rear.

Looking forward to mid 1941, the Admiralty tried to maintain a 200% advantage against their opponents.

lets compare how they predicted the fleets to size up in summer 1941

------------------ British - - German - Japanese - (half Japnese)
BB (Modern)* - - - - 2+5 - - - - 2 - - - - 3 - - - - - - -1.5
BB - - - - - - - - - - 10 - - - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - - 2
BC- - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - 2 - - - - 4 - - - - - - - 2
CA (or Pocket) - 19 + (10**) - 3+(3) - - 18 - - - - - - -9
CL - - - - - - - - - - 65 - - - - - 6 - - - - 20 - - - - - - 10
DD- - - - - - - - - - 200- - - - - 20 - - - 84 - - - - - - 42
CV (armoured) - - 4 + (4) - - - - 2 - - - - 5 - - - - - - 2.5
CVL- - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - 1.5

notes:
* includes 2 x mid 1920's "Nelson" class, they were slower, but powerful well armoured, designed to go broadside to broadside with the German BB's.
The last two K.G.V.'s {Anson, Howe} were planned for mid '41 completion, but due to war priorities (DD's DE's) they were completed mid '42

** British 9,500 ton "Town" class included with CA's

Capital ships there are 20 British vs. 9.5 Axis {counting only 50% of Japan's}

CV's there are 8 British vs. 4.5 Axis

Some problems that the British encountered when war actually began were:

1.) The surrender of France left the British facing the Italians alone in the Med
2.) The loss of 8 US BB's at Pearl left the Allies in some difficulty facing the Japanese
3.) The early loss of 2 of 3 large CV's (Glorious, Courageous) was a huge setback, luckily the German failure to complete the "Zeppelin" class CV's compensated for this somewhat.
4.)The Royal Navy was almost the ONLY nation that observed the "Naval Treaty Limits", the Italians Japanese built CA's (for example) that were up to 50% over the limits, leaving the British CA's at a disadvantage

 

[Lucky13]

I was wondering if this would be a single island nation or one of two or three islands....opinions?

 

[joy17782]

one very large one lucky was i right about the aircraft carrier what is she ?

 

[Lucky13]

That's Junyo. I know that she's after 1940 (1942?), but in this case I only for her lines....as with any other female....

 

[joy17782]

hey your cheating i wasnt even thinking of after 1940 she is a pertty one owe , well ive been researching tonight just got done , lucky i say we say no too airforces just do navy first with the carrieer arm plus costal command 1940 only . if it was on order by 1940 you cant use it , only commisioned ships, sea trial ships are commisioned ships . were let you use junyo. we can do air later then maybe ground after that

 

[joy17782]

ok there were no escort carriers in 1940 , the one mention was not commision untill 1941, you can see this on the britsh navy web site on commision ships 1939 too 1945,