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Oh I fully disagree. In a joint operation as suggested they would ofcourse co-operate, there's no question about it.
Putting it simply. The IJN and the IJAAF didn't co-operate with each other, plus the Japanese and Germans didn't co-operate with each other in any meaningfull way until it was too late.
Apart from your assumption can I ask if you have anything to support your view?
Putting it simply. The IJN and the IJAAF didn't co-operate with each other, plus the Japanese and Germans didn't co-operate with each other in any meaningfull way until it was too late.
Apart from your assumption can I ask if you have anything to support your view?
Why wouldn't they cooperate if they are attacking the same nation at the same time? There would definantly be some sort of cooperation! Obviously it can't be documented because we are discussing alternate history.
It's not so much disagreeing with me. There are sources discussing their actual plans. You are rejecting them based on an out of thin air analysis you did before learning of those actual plans, it seems.Hi Joe
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one
In Russia, the Germans did rely on horse drawn transport, but not for their "long range" supply. Horses were used mostly to transport the artillery, and for local supply close to the front. Vehicles provided over 90% of the lift capability for the LOC supply requirements.
For the record also, whilst you are correct to say that the japanese were able to launch major offensives in 1941-2, the scale of these offensives were no where near those of a 22 division attack against the Soviets. And these extremely limited offensives very nearly derailed the japanese logistics network. The offensive into Burma in 1942 was by two divs, the offensive into Malaya was by three Divs, and in each case they very nearly ran out of supply, mostly because of a shortage of trucks. The two offensives of 1944 into southern China did involve about 18 Divs, however at no time were more than 8 Divs engaged in offensive operations at any given time. There is no instance that I know of after 1940 that the Japanese engaged in a major land offensive bigger than 10 divs.
Soren
IMHO a good ground attack a/c needes some manoeuvrability and ability to absorbe battle damage, not surprised that you have other ideas.
from where you have read the US evalution on Ki-46, source please? I have TAIC info but it is all on specs nothing on handling. And the weak undescarriage is also mentioned in Frankillion's Japanese a/c of the Pacific War
You can believe what you want but the fact is that its max load for Ki-51 normally was 4x50kg bombs.
I'm bit puzzled all those imaginary equipment you are adding to Japanese armoury. Try to keep in the equipment that were available in that time. Nobody is giving to Soviet Union side T-34/85s or Kalashnikovs.
Why wouldn't they cooperate if they are attacking the same nation at the same time? There would definantly be some sort of cooperation! Obviously it can't be documented because we are discussing alternate history.
No they supplied them because they didn't have first line aircraft of their own. To fit this scenario they have to give these countries the ability to build 109's, 190's and so on. As far as I know they nearest they came was giving the Italians the DB601 and DB605 which is matched by giving the Japanese the DB601.Soren
Of course I have something to support it. Take the cooperation between the Germany and its close allies in Europe for one. The Germans supplied them with a/c as-well as tanks. Why ? Because they were operating along side the Germans!
I covered this in my previous reply suffice to say I am not sure of the co operation, more than planning and objectives.The Japanese never came to operate together with the Germans in the war, and that is what kept the technology from flowing between them.
Had they agreed upon a joint invasion of the USSR you can be sure that they would've worked together a lot more closely and shared both technology equipment from the beginning.
Glider,
You seem to forget that the Bf-109 for one was produced in both Romania Hungary, very late in the case of Romania.
Soren
look for ex fromRené Francillion's book (the standard work on japanese WWII a/c) for armament of Ki-51. There it is stated.[/qoute]
Does it state maximum load ?
I happened to be fond with Sonia so I have changed e-mails with specialists of Japanese a/c. So i know that the Kamikaze version was modified to carry 1x250kg bomb under fuselage and that Ki-51s of 6 FB carried one 100kg bomb under each wing during shipping strikes during the liberation of Philippines in 1944. So its much better to read a good book on subject than waste one's and others' time in empty speculation, IMHO Japanese were clever enough to arm Ki-51s with 2x500kg bombs for shipping strikes if they had thought that possible.
Well maybe they wanted the a/c to be capable of actually slipping past the AA defenses, did you think of that ? With two 500 kg bombs under each wing that wouldn't be possible. Also lets keep in mind that the BK 3.7 only weighed half this.
But nevermind that, even if the Ki-51 couldn't mount a weapon like the BK 3.7 under each wing it wouldn't have to either, a couple of 20mm cannons would suffice. A weapon like the Ho-3 would be able to open up a T-26 like a sardine can with ease.
Did Japanese built BK 3.7 under license or not? The answer reveals is the scenario imaginary or not, simple than that. Try to accept that Axis lost the war or at least keep your dreams yourself. We can argue on the subject of this tread without fictional weapon systems.
What kind of question is that ? This whole discussion is about a 'what if' scenario, did that slip passed your nose ??
Had the Germans Japanese co-operated in an invasion of the USSR there's every reason to believe that a lot more material would be license built by the Japanese, and one of these could've been the BK 3.7, unless ofcourse the Japanese concieved something even better..
It wasn't a case of forgetting, it was a case of not knowing, hell we all learn. Any idea as to how many they produced.