raumatibeach
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- Mar 10, 2012
Not guilty on any counts there, I've never pmed anyone here let alone a moderator.
I'm trying to get on with the conversation but it seems to get lost in all the apologies and explanations.
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I also have not been talking about you.
Are you the one PMing people telling them to stop "pussyfooting" about it?
So how about you get on with the conversation.
This may be unbelievable for you, raumatibeach, but please allow me to state what I saw and felt as it is.
As long as I watched those ladies who used to be young half a century ago on TV(Korean TV introduced in Japan) a few years ago, they looked being asked to join there by their government. Though I didn't see, a friend of mine pointed out a lady showed her old passbook during the war as an evidence. Their intention would have been to show how low wage it was for her. The passbook was showing 'only' thousands of Yen. Thousands of Yen is equivalent to tens of dollars in today's monetary value but, in the 1940's, it was equivalent to hundreds of thouand dollars today. Modern Koreans may be unfamiliar with such old foreign currency value but she could have known the value well. If it had been her own will to be on TV, she would never have shown the passbook.
What they want us?
It would be money, of course.
Sorry if my expression is so direct.
Not guilty on any counts there, I've never pmed anyone here let alone a moderator.
I'm trying to get on with the conversation but it seems to get lost in all the apologies and explanations.
While there may be some debate over the Korean comfort women this wiki article Comfort women - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, it states that many of them were abducted and raped. You may have a point about the Korean women for all I know but that article didn't say your prime minister had been trying to correct the Koreans claims and it's important if we are discussing this that not all of the women -possilby the minority were willing participants.
The original article on this thread also mentions government visits to the Yasukuni Shrine which has memorials to convicted war criminals. I'm sure you can understand people from other countries being unable to fathom how your government could do this, it would be unheard of for a German leader to do the same.
Then quit apologizing and explaining yourself for stuff you are not doing. That has been my point the whole damn time.
You were never part of the problem. Do you finally understand?
I am about to close the thread for christs sakes.
I never said i was part of the problem-you accused me of sending pms. I have never sent a pm to anyone here
i never apologised for anything. I was told to be more respectful some reason.
i never thought I was part of the the problem, I've tried all along to discuss this topic and in between all the other nonsense- the incessant apologies etc -I've learned some things about something I didn't know much about
Shinpachi, if this thread gets shut down I'd like to say that even if I disagree with you its interesting to hear your side of things. I agree that Japan should honour its world war two dead as should Germany or any other country- the 12 convicted war criminals have no place being honoured though.
Being British and extremely proud of it, I find it a little annoying to have our Colonnial past and transgressions dragged up at the drop of a hat. I am aware that their is "blood on our hands" historically, but not on my hands or in my name. So I am not going to apologize for it - it is a matter of historical record that everyone needs to accept.
What happened in Nazi Germany, though, was different than what happened, here. That was a genocide and the systematic extermination of "undesirable" classes of people. Here, "War is hell." That's not to minimize it, but to differentiate it.Of course I don't want to imply that revise history is any good, but I believe revisionist history is in every country. Here in the Netherlands for instance you will hardly learn anything about the police actions in Indonesia in 1947 and 1948. All I learned in the history books was that we almost won it, but had to retreat under US pressure. 2 lines in a book, not more. I now learned that some Dutch soldiers did not behave well and attrocities have been done. Not something we will ever read in our history books. I guess it's the same in all countries. Maybe people who are judging the Japanese and Germans so hard about this should realise this first.
I don't see difference in any warcrime, these Dutch soldiers also behaved bad, murdered whole villages. And we also don't hear anything about the Dutch being the biggest slave traders. So no, I don't see a big difference.What happened in Nazi Germany, though, was different than what happened, here. That was a genocide and the systematic extermination of "undesirable" classes of people. Here, "War is hell." That's not to minimize it, but to differentiate it.
Oh jesus christ.
Is English your first language? You were not accused of sending PMs. The whole time I was talking about someone else, not YOU!!!! The only reason I was answering to you is because you kept argueing stuff that had nothing to do with you. Are you the member Readie?
Now one last fibal time...
Stop, get back on discussion, and move on.
My head is about to explode.
Abe's grandfather, Nobusuke Kishi, was a class A war criminal though he survived to be Prime Minister in 1956 after all.
Abe is influenced much by his grandfather but not a bad guy.
Okay, your head is about to explode? I'm not Readie and in post 44 you accused me of sending pas. Sheesh
Shi
No different than the modern Japanese, Germans or Americans huh?
I don't know what happened, there, Marcel. I should have been clearer. I was differentiating the subject of this thread, not that.I don't see difference in any warcrime, these Dutch soldiers also behaved bad, murdered whole villages. And we also don't hear anything about the Dutch being the biggest slave traders. So no, I don't see a big difference.
Raumatibeach, you're driving the guy to a nervous breakdown. He didn't accuse you. Here it is:Will someone else please explain this to him...
I also have not been talking about you.
Are you the one PMing people telling them to stop "pussyfooting" about it?
So how about you get on with the conversation.
he was accused of exploiting forced labour in China when he was in Manchukuo. But he was never tried and walked away freely.This is interesting, do you have any links to his crimes you can post?