Mossie vs Ju88

[Erich]

actually no

the G-6 stopped and a longer fuselage/long range G-10 was to be finalized some sources indicate that NJG 3 had at leat 10 airframes in their line-up but am not totally positive on that. Personally feel that the UK would of felt the Fernenachtjagd again whether it had home defence Mossies on hand or not and thus it is why the G-10 was to be in the lineups by fall of 45 along with more Me 262B's for home Reich coverage

 

[Henk]

just to add my two cents ............ Ju G-1 had BMW 801's and the G-6 had in-line Jumo 213E's hot rods up to 2500hp; circular radiators but from the outside you would say with the cooling grills which were needed they were somewhat cone shaped.....

You are right Erich. The Ju-88 were a great aircraft. It could do what ever you want when you want it to perform the needed task. The Ju-88 I must say honestly could never have caught up with a Mosquito.

Henk

 

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

The Ju-88 could not outperform a mossie on any level, I just love teh Ju-88 because of how versatile it was. It litterally could do anything.

 

[Gnomey]

So could the Mossie...

 

[Erich]

not outperform, hmmmmmmmmmmmm I think it could and did. 88G-6 was a powerhouse that we never hear of except in a static situation with schematics at a performance level. In the hands of a skilled crew more than a bargain for a Mossie XXX crew even. night skies, clarity, wind, and just plain weather conditions in general plus pilot/crew experience all played in the game of cat and mouse

 

[Erich]

a rare occurence during 1945 the NJG 1 airfield at Werl buzzed by the 406th fighter group, with 1 P-47D-30 coming in low early evening ......... ah yes the story:

hallo,
es stimmt,der oberfeldwebel (bodenpersonal) und ich waren gerade dabei,meine maschine startklar zu machen,als in der abendsonne im tiefflug der platz werl angegriffen wurde.
vor der halle war eine vierlingsflak,mit der wir eine der angreifenden maschinen tarfen,die mit rauchfahne südlich von werl abstürzte.
da ich diesen abschuss nicht sofort meldete,bekam ich noch einen " Anschiss" !
hat der pilot der abgeschossenen maschine überlebt,wenn ja,adresse bitte !
horrido und alles gute
herbert scholl ( 5/NJG 1)

with Ofw. Bittrof they set upon the 2cm Flavierling to defend their little base.

my response about the shot down P-47 and the pilots remains

Sehr geehrter Herr Scholl

vielen Dank für die kurze, jedoch sehr interessante Episode. Der Pilot des von Ihnen abgeschossenen Flugzeugs (eine P-47D-30-RA) war Paul W. Mazal von der 513. Jagdstaffel (406. Jagdgruppe der 9.US Air Force), der beim Absturz seiner Maschine ums Leben kam. Sein Schiksal konnte erst kürzlich geklärt werden, nachdem im Sommer 2005 die Absturzstelle ermittelt wurde und eine seiner Hundemarken gefunden wurde. Weiterhin wurde sein Name auf dem Rücken der Pilotenjacke und die Seriennummer am Rumpf gefunden, was die sofortige Identifizierung erleichterte. Seit dem 10.Januar 2006 gilt er offiziell als im Einsatz gefallen.

Herr Scholl piloted a Bf 110G-4

 

[mhuxt]

That's good stuff Erich.

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[Gemhorse]

I may have to disagree on that Erich...The G-7 'Moskitojager' prototypes were clobbered in a raid on Dessau 7/8 Mar. 1945, and sure, the G-10 was going to come on stream with Jumo 213 A-12's and lengthened fuselages, but being at least 5000 lbs heavier than the Mossies, and with their newer models with faster Merlin 100 series engines, extra RAF Sqn.'s being released from Home Defence, the Ju-88's were at the limit of development, other than strapping jets on, like they tried on the He-219 V-14....The Ju-88's were superb, versatile aircraft, a great foil to the Mossie, but my feeling is the Mossies were ultimately faster more manoevrable overall.....

 

[Erich]

there were no G-7 mosksitojägers as it was not thought of using prop driven a/c when Kommando Welter had already proven itself as the ultimate in Mossie chasing with the Me 262A-1a. The G-7 nomeclature is post war myth.

Fernenachtjagd would of been the norm nightly where the Ju 88G-6 could perform at will with new elctroncis that were coming on the spring of 45. the G-10 would of mostly been used had it been perfected dur to the longer range. ideally but not accepted in the late spring of 45 was the future come on development of the twin seater Me 262B-1a to take on the RAF 4 motors. It is in our book

 

[Gemhorse]

Ahh, I've only read of 'G-7's' in one book, so the G-10 would've had the fuselage similar to the 'H' then, altho they didn't proceed with that either.
One would expect that had the 262's got in their stride, the Meteor would've superceded Mossies, had the War continued....[They did too, but well after the War]...

Well, it says something that it took a jet fighter to tackle the Mosquito, altho if the He-219 had've got what it needed, it may have been different...Could one surmise then that the Ta-152 was also a potential 'Moskitojager' from inception ?

I look forward to reading your book Erich, the value of ongoing research can never be underestimated.....

 

[Erich]

I think the jigs at Dessau could of been the G-10 config. NJG 3 had actually several from what I surmise but they did not fly them on ops due to ....... ? am not sure. Even with a much more robust engine to drive the extra length, more fuel and overall size it still would of had probs with the Mossie intruders.

jet night fighters at war with one another would of been an interesting scenario and probably conceivable by 1945's end. Yes the Ta 152 was even considered as a high altitude composite with an onboard radar. another interesting what-if. True for any mossie chaser it had to of been an a/c with a hard hitting design for speed, minimum armor and armament but completely aerodynamic and yet even with speed had to have endurance with extra fuel, something the German's were in quite short supply of ........

 

[Gemhorse]

Bomber Command definately clobbered apparently all 4 Junkers factories on that date, but as to what was irreparably damaged is unclear, as you say, G-7's were a myth, but there were different versions of the G-6, am I correct ?....

Thanks for that on the Ta-152, I'd always wondered about it, particuarly as PR Mossies Spits were an effront to the Luftwaffe....

I also wonder that the DH Hornet was already in being, tho' not in Sqn. service by War's end, and doubtless even more faster manoevrable than the Mossies, so that in combat vs Jet / Ta-152, they may have
presented quite a problem too ?....Conjecture I know, but what are your thoughts on this ?.....

 

[Gemhorse]

Hmmmm, not even worth an answer....

 

[Gemhorse]

Maybe if I wrote it German then...............................after 4225 posts of comment OPINION, you may be abit stuck..........Ja ??

 

[Erich]

Gem :

I apoligize I got the flu last night and not a very pleasing morning it is, I think I had an hour of sleep max. I'll be back when I can read your postings clearly as the PC text is all fuzzy. probably this afternoon, I need a walk to think about Mossie XXX and Ju 88G-6's ~ 8)

chin up.

E

 

[Erich]

the jet idea for the British ........... ? no clue. for the Germans the twin seater B-2a would of come into the ranks against RAF bombers and also Arado 234 night fighters.

no actually there was only 1 JU 88G-6 the only thing different about the 3 was the electronics fitted but that did not change them to a, b or c as books like to call them.. This is another after war story

 

[Gemhorse]

Thanks Erich; I'm sorry, I didn't realise you had the flu - I wish you a speedy recovery...

I had thought the Ar-234 was a single-seater with only rearward armament, although it's potential as a NF would've been exciting - I had often thought they had tremendous potential as an Intruder with forward armament...Had they actually been toying with these ideas for it ? - I know Hitler's-bent for 'bombers' had affected it's initial role.....

With the Ju-88 G-6, that was what I had been led to believe, 'a,b,c..' as William Green had written, for example....There were some faster longer-range variants though, wasn't there, such as the 'S T' variants, used more for PR work ?

 

[pbfoot]

this is a good link I found about radar in ww 2 from all sides I hope its not old news
http://www.vectorsite.net/ttwiz9.html#m4

 

[Gemhorse]

Both aircraft were indeed quick dangerous, it came down largely to the radar... In the Mosquitos they had the Allied 'Mk.X' which was probably the best AI of the War, and it could be operated down to 1000-1500 ft. In addition, there were two addional displays in the aircraft...'Perfectos', a small diameter cathode ray tube fitted in the AI visor, displayed enemy IFF transmissions and this device could detect from a much greater range than was possible using the AI....'Monica' was fitted at the bottom of the instrument panel and showed aircraft coming from behind at a range of about 1-2 miles...[German radar was eventually able to track onto Monica emissions]...Also, the British 'Y-Service' provided the enemy 'colours of the day' and the Mossie crews were given the suitable colour cartridges to fire off in their Verey pistols to confuse the enemy Bofors fire, commonly protecting Luftwaffe airfields...Fuel shortages straggled the Luftwaffe, the Mossies [in 100 Group) finished the War using napalmgel against the Luftwaffe airfields.......

 

[Erich]

well it appears that VDM verlag in Germany is going to prodcue the new book from ace Heinz Rökker, a personal bio about pre-war and the war years so hopeful he will give his first hand impression on his flights and the problems that his I./NJg 2 had with Mossies ........... ? again it is funny that the Stab NJG 2 ace and leader, Gerhard Raht and crew never had a prob with Mossie nf's in the war