fastmongrel
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Got you I should have read the whole articleIf you read in the wiki article only about 20 were built with that tail, plus the first Lancaster prototype.
While the Manchester was designed with a twin tail, the first production aircraft, designated the Mk I, had a central fin added and twenty aircraft like this were built. They were succeeded by the Mk IA which reverted to the twin-fin system but used enlarged, taller fin and rudders mounted on a new tailplane, with span increased from 22 ft (6.71 m) to 33 ft (10.06 m). This configuration was carried over to the Lancaster, except for the first prototype, which also used a central fin and was a converted, unfinished Manchester.[12]Got you I should have read the whole article
Bill - many years ago I did an annual on a NA Navion, very well kept polished aluminum bird. When I looked into the interior empennage I could see some original P/N markings that were changed and re-identified, also had some rivet patterns painted into the zinc chromate that were not picked up when the aircraft was assembled. IIRC the owner told me his aircraft was the 11th built by NA and the skins were originally supposed to be for P-51s and the Navion had some common components with the Mustang. Have you ever heard of this?Ahh - there are many common parts and assemblies between NA-73, 83/91 and NA-97 and NA-99, and NA-102/103/104/106/109/111 etc.
True, after the P-51B, the P-51D upper frame-aft was changed from firewall, aft. The empennage and wings firewall forward, and lower fuselage Frame aft are basically the same.
Primary changes from Allison to Merlin was Firewall- forward, dropping wing, changing cooling system - most of airframe was same.
I was speaking purely from perception, as I as a child and the average man in the street views things, which isnt based on facts at all but impressions.Ahh - there are many common parts and assemblies between NA-73, 83/91 and NA-97 and NA-99, and NA-102/103/104/106/109/111 etc.
True, after the P-51B, the P-51D upper frame-aft was changed from firewall, aft. The empennage and wings firewall forward, and lower fuselage Frame aft are basically the same.
Primary changes from Allison to Merlin was Firewall- forward, dropping wing, changing cooling system - most of airframe was same.
While the Manchester was designed with a twin tail, the first production aircraft, designated the Mk I, had a central fin added and twenty aircraft like this were built. They were succeeded by the Mk IA which reverted to the twin-fin system but used enlarged, taller fin and rudders mounted on a new tailplane, with span increased from 22 ft (6.71 m) to 33 ft (10.06 m). This configuration was carried over to the Lancaster, except for the first prototype, which also used a central fin and was a converted, unfinished Manchester.[
In my opinion, the most overrated (when reputation exceeds contribution) fighter airplane of WW2 was the Spitfire. It made its reputation and became a public legend during the Battle of Britain but its contribution to the war effort afterwards and eventual victory was very little.
I'd like to have an award for "insightful".
I mean we should have an insightful award.
While the Manchester was designed with a twin tail, the first production aircraft, designated the Mk I, had a central fin added and twenty aircraft like this were built.
Didnt it do PR jobs throughout the war?
In my opinion, the most overrated (when reputation exceeds contribution) fighter airplane of WW2 was the Spitfire. It made its reputation and became a public legend during the Battle of Britain but its contribution to the war effort afterwards and eventual victory was very small.
Joe - I don't know. I will checkBill - many years ago I did an annual on a NA Navion, very well kept polished aluminum bird. When I looked into the interior empennage I could see some original P/N markings that were changed and re-identified, also had some rivet patterns painted into the zinc chromate that were not picked up when the aircraft was assembled. IIRC the owner told me his aircraft was the 11th built by NA and the skins were originally supposed to be for P-51s and the Navion had some common components with the Mustang. Have you ever heard of this?
More than 22,700 Spitfires were built of all marks, with production from 1938 to 1948.
I wonder what the Germans thought about it? Did they think it was overrated?
From what I remember off the top of my head from test flights done in 1940, they thought it (and the Hurricane) very easy to land, well, anything was compared to the Bf 109, but the Germans all believed the Bf 109E was superior to the Spitfire Mk.I, which in many respects it certainly was.
Joe - I checked with my co-author Lowell Ford who said that it was possible certain stock parts like rudder/elevator linkages, etc may have been used for the Navion, that he was not aware of any rumors of specific P-51 parts that might have been drawn from Spares and selected for incorporation into the new design.Bill - many years ago I did an annual on a NA Navion, very well kept polished aluminum bird. When I looked into the interior empennage I could see some original P/N markings that were changed and re-identified, also had some rivet patterns painted into the zinc chromate that were not picked up when the aircraft was assembled. IIRC the owner told me his aircraft was the 11th built by NA and the skins were originally supposed to be for P-51s and the Navion had some common components with the Mustang. Have you ever heard of this?
How could anybody not love the Spitfire? Post VE-Day, dad had time in the IX and said it might have been the most delightful aircraft to fly of any that he ever flew. He ranked P-51H, F-86E/F, and Spit IX in any order. He was surprised that the Spit was easier to land in a crosswind than the 51.If I remember right, Gunther Rall liked the Spitfire.
Pilots who flew the whole range throughout the war said the early versions were the nicest to fly. Adding the weight of cannon and other stuff affected the feel, but that is just discussing a Sunday jaunt, training flight or take of and landing, in terms of fighting someone else the preference was always a Mk VII, IX, XIV or similar late model.How could anybody not love the Spitfire? Post VE-Day, dad had time in the IX and said it might have been the most delightful aircraft to fly of any that he ever flew. He ranked P-51H, F-86E/F, and Spit IX in any order. He was surprised that the Spit was easier to land in a crosswind than the 51.
Bill, didn't NAA have similarities between the Navion's and the Mustang's main gear?Joe - I checked with my co-author Lowell Ford who said that it was possible certain stock parts like rudder/elevator linkages, etc may have been used for the Navion, that he was not aware of any rumors of specific P-51 parts that might have been drawn from Spares and selected for incorporation into the new design.
Thanks Bill!!Joe - I checked with my co-author Lowell Ford who said that it was possible certain stock parts like rudder/elevator linkages, etc may have been used for the Navion, that he was not aware of any rumors of specific P-51 parts that might have been drawn from Spares and selected for incorporation into the new design.