michael rauls
Tech Sergeant
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- Jul 15, 2016
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It seems to me that these labels come into play when one attempts to use a device in a way and manner that was never intended. The Stuka is a prime example. In defense of the Stuka, it is an inexcusably ugly aircraft, but like so many designed-for-a-mission utilitarian airplanes (Consolidated PBY for example), the Ju-87 looks better the longer you consider its rugged lines. That same straightforward ruggedness made the Stuka easy to manufacture, repair and maintain. Let's face it, the Stuka was a bomb truck intended to fly to a target little farther away than its pilot can see, do a job and rumble back home again. Did it really need elliptical wings, or a stylish P-51 radiator doghouse or retractable landing gear to do the job it was designed for?Ju87 Stuka it seems to be simultaneously the greatest thing since the invention of Beer and a big waste of time
Brewste Buffalo, a disaster for the USN, USMC, and RAF, but quite successful for Ilmavoimat
By the terms over or under rated I was referring to the subjective perception a person or demographic might have of an aircrafts capabilities either greater or lesser than were actually the case.How do you "rate" something. Long time service at the top level. Conflict deciding performance in one area or outstanding performance in many areas. In performance you cannot not "rate" the F8F Bearcat but it was only produced at the end of WW2 too late to affect anything.
Good point about the Buffalo. I've often thought it was probably better than generally given credit for. It did find considerable success with the Finns.And here we have part of the myth. The USN never flew the Buffalo in combat (at least air to air combat, they may have strafed or used light bombs on something), The US Marines only had one squadron of them that engaged the enemy (and that squadron was not 100% Buffaloes) and that was one engagement.
The RAF (and commonwealth squadrons) that used them would have had problems using P-51Ds (ok, something of an exaggeration but many RAF buffaloes were destroyed on the ground, abandoned on arifields as units retreated and suffered from a poor early warning network and that is just for starters).
I am not claiming the Buffalo was a great plane or a missed opportunity but most of it's negative press comes from the losses suffered by VMF-221 one one mission at the battle of Midway which is hardly a decent basis for statistical analysis,
We can certainly find other planes that suffered horrendous losses on one mission (often an early one) and went on to become very well thought of aircraft.
The Spitfire was both underrated and overrated. As a legitimate front-line fighter from 1940 through 1945, the Spit deserves points for longevity and competitiveness. That it was "only" equal to the Bf-109 during much of that period and was inferior to the FW-190 for part of that period is also true. That pilots loved the plane for its responsiveness and handling is without a doubt. It's also true that the Spitfire-V was judged inferior to the A6M-21 Zero in a dogfight under 20,000 ft, and turned about even with a lightly-loaded P-40. It was the best interceptor the Allies had for most of the war. On the other hand, with equal Merlin engines, the P-51 was faster and had twice the range.
One minor point but the Spitfire was a front-line fighter in August 1938.
Now one slightly snarky point...the P-51 had zero speed and zero operational range for the period August 1938 to January 1942. The Spitfire also maintained a clear altitude advantage until the P-51B came along in August 1943. So, while the P-51 eventually reached better speed and longer range than the Spitfire, it wasn't until the Spitfire had been in service for 5 years. Good job the RAF didn't wait for the P-51 to show up.
More seriously, you say that the Spitfire was "inferior to the Fw-190 for part of that period" but, surely, the opposite is also true...that the Spitfire was also superior to the Fw190 for part of the period?
I don't know when the RAF truly thought the Spitfire was ready for combat, but the Spit was held out of the defense of France, and first saw combat during the Norway campaign in May 1940.
No argument from me about the periods of the war that other planes weren't available. That's why I gave the Spitfire points for being a front-line fighter for practically the entire war. I suppose you could say the Spitfire outperformed the very early FW-190s that were more like service-test units. Most of the rest of the war, the latest FW-190s and Spitfires were pretty competitive with each other.
This Stuka, an R-4 version modified to fly long distances, was built in 1941 and was destined for North Africa before being diverted to the fighting in Russia. Serving with Lehrgeschwader (demonstration wing) 1 and then Sturzkampfgeschwader (dive bomber wing) 5, the plane operated in northwest Russia, near the border with Finland and Norway.has a Stuka that reputedly will be restored.