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I read of an incident in the Korean war where an Douglas B-26C was on daylight mission over North Korea. That airplane had the glass nose but still had the six wing guns. They spotted about 30 Yak-9's in a big formation out over the water and to the dismay of the bombardier the pilot decided he would bag some of them. They crept up behind the Yak formation, closer, closer and then the Yaks spotted the B-26 and scattered.I remember a similar story but it involved A-26s
The pilot typically had a "ring and bead" gunsight fixed on the dashboard. Some had a basic reflector gunsight that was similar to the B-24's nose turret sight?Anyone have info on what sights the twin-engine strafers utilized? I found a reference that the B-26B-45-MA received ring and bead sights for the package guns, but nothing for the A-20, B-25, and a passing reference to a reflector sight for the A-26… it seems like you'd want an upgraded sight if you started earning the Sacajaweas flying low and strafing … Although, I was told by an OG Huey pilot who plied his trade in Nam that his first rocket and gun sights were grease pencil marks on the glass which sorta worked as long as he held his head the same way as when they bore-sighted the barrels and tubes….
From what I've read, the PO-2s were a real pain in Korea flying too slow for American night fighters. I wonder if a war weary Wildcat suitable only for service on an escort carrier would have been able to solve the issue.I read of an incident in the Korean war where an Douglas B-26C was on daylight mission over North Korea. That airplane had the glass nose but still had the six wing guns. They spotted about 30 Yak-9's in a big formation out over the water and to the dismay of the bombardier the pilot decided he would bag some of them. They crept up behind the Yak formation, closer, closer and then the Yaks spotted the B-26 and scattered.
I do not believe I have ever heard of another case where a bomber pilot decided to go tackle 30 fighters. If they saw one enemy aircraft USN PB4Y-2's would go after it, since it usually was a bomber, seaplane, or a recon aircraft, but I doubt they would have tried to attack a pack of fighters.
That same B-26 crew was coming back from a night raid when they got a radio call for any aircraft that had any ordnance to intercept a PO-2 that had just bombed Kimpo Airfield. They found the PO-2, which dove into a riverbed, and followed it as the bombardier in the nose provided aiming instructions for the pilot, which could not see the target. They resorted to firing the guns while walking the nose around in an "X" pattern in hopes of hitting the PO-2, which apparently escaped.
One would need this to tackle that.From what I've read, the PO-2s were a real pain in Korea flying too slow for American night fighters. I wonder if a war weary Wildcat suitable only for service on an escort carrier would have been able to solve the issue.jk
iirc, didn't a CIA Huey with a door gunner sporting an AK down one?A Skyraider managed to smoke a Po-2 during the war.
The Po-2 was known as the U-2 during WWII and the Germans had the same problem trying to intercept it, as the Fw190 and Bf109 were too fast for it.
Remember, the Night Witches? Female Russian PO-2 pilots who flew at night, sometimes with engines off on approach, listening for targets and throwing off German AA guns.A Skyraider managed to smoke a Po-2 during the war.
The Po-2 was known as the U-2 during WWII and the Germans had the same problem trying to intercept it, as the Fw190 and Bf109 were too fast for it.
Didn't a F7F tigercat scratch one?An F-94 managed to kill a Po-2 as well - by flying through it. Scratch one Po-2 and one F-94. Another F-94 slowed up enough to shoot down a Po-2, stalled and crashed. Scratch one PO-2 and scratch one F-94. The USAF decided this was a poor kill ratio. The answer was the night fighter F7F and the F4U-5N. The P-61 would have been great for Korea, not just as a night fighter but things in general, but they were all gone by then. I don't know if an F-82 night fighter ever managed to kill a Po-2, but they did manage to score the first kils,of the war, what apparently was an Yak-7 or a Yak -11. A radar equipped TBM like the one that got Butch O'Hare might have worked. An F3F would have been perfect!
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Not gonna lie, that Corsair looks badass in the black and red..The second pic is a perfect representation of how large the Corsair props wereAn F-94 managed to kill a Po-2 as well - by flying through it. Scratch one Po-2 and one F-94. Another F-94 slowed up enough to shoot down a Po-2, stalled and crashed. Scratch one PO-2 and scratch one F-94. The USAF decided this was a poor kill ratio. The answer was the night fighter F7F and the F4U-5N. The P-61 would have been great for Korea, not just as a night fighter but things in general, but they were all gone by then. I don't know if an F-82 night fighter ever managed to kill a Po-2, but they did manage to score the first kils,of the war, what apparently was an Yak-7 or a Yak -11. A radar equipped TBM like the one that got Butch O'Hare might have worked. An F3F would have been perfect!
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According to the cover of the Squadron book, yes. I met an older gentleman who had flown F7F in Korea. He was tickled to see that. But I wonder how slow an F7F could fly safely. A lot slower than an F-94, for sure.Didn't a F7F tigercat scratch one?
The F7F was designed to land in a carrier, so it had a fairly low stall speed.According to the cover of the Squadron book, yes. I met an older gentleman who had flown F7F in Korea. He was tickled to see that. But I wonder how slow an F7F could fly safely. A lot slower than an F-94, for sure.
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There is an element of humor, but, remember if operation Downfall had gone ahead, the Japanese had thousands of trainers, including biplanes like the K5Y, which flew so low and slow as to avoid American radar. They'd already burnt a few picket destroyers, imagine waves of hundreds coming in…..So, we're discussing the difficulty shooting down Russian aircraft. Not the Su-34, Su-35, MiG-29, MiG-31 or MiG-57. The Po-2. The most difficult Russian plane to down.
Great job, General Shoigu.
It was 2 or more AN-2's after they attacked a "hill" top radar site in Laos. IIRCiirc, didn't a CIA Huey with a door gunner sporting an AK down one?
Edit: my mistake, it was an AN-2.
4, one crashed and one was shot down by the guy who didn't pay for his own beer for weeks lolIt was 2 or more AN-2's after they attacked a "hill" top radar site in Laos. IIRC
Riding in the nose, chasing a PO-2 down low at night sounds scary AF!I read of an incident in the Korean war where an Douglas B-26C was on daylight mission over North Korea. That airplane had the glass nose but still had the six wing guns. They spotted about 30 Yak-9's in a big formation out over the water and to the dismay of the bombardier the pilot decided he would bag some of them. They crept up behind the Yak formation, closer, closer and then the Yaks spotted the B-26 and scattered.
I do not believe I have ever heard of another case where a bomber pilot decided to go tackle 30 fighters. If they saw one enemy aircraft USN PB4Y-2's would go after it, since it usually was a bomber, seaplane, or a recon aircraft, but I doubt they would have tried to attack a pack of fighters.
That same B-26 crew was coming back from a night raid when they got a radio call for any aircraft that had any ordnance to intercept a PO-2 that had just bombed Kimpo Airfield. They found the PO-2, which dove into a riverbed, and followed it as the bombardier in the nose provided aiming instructions for the pilot, which could not see the target. They resorted to firing the guns while walking the nose around in an "X" pattern in hopes of hitting the PO-2, which apparently escaped.
Generally that's the case. I'm not sure if the Beaufighter was intended for this, though they might have thought of doing it.Initially, the "heavy fighter" was intended to be an escort.
Actually the Bf110 was probably effective in that capability if they were untethered to the bombers in close escort.Types like the Bf110 and KI-45 filled this role, but they simply weren't effective in that capacity when challenging single engine fighters.
Definitely a common sense move, but the strategic bombing guys were operating under the premise that bombers would allow them to hit the enemy from the inside out.There is an alternative which has not been put forward:
Hit every target you can that is within escort range. Hit everything you can that is important that is covered by friendly fighters. Then work to gradually extend escort range to make more targets susceptible to attack.
In addition to the issues you mentioned, the US and UK seemed to spend more effort developing cooling systems that could operate at higher pressures and temperatures than the Germans. This meant that we could keep cooling drag fairly low in comparison, so we could often generate greater speed for an airplane of the same weight (or heavier).You build a long range escort fighter. I build a short range interceptor using the same level of technology./
My interceptors shoot down your escorts, then they rip into your bombers.
- My interceptor is smaller and lighter.
- I have substantially better acceleration, climb and manoeuvrability, and I am somewhat faster.
- My interceptor is better armed.
- Your escort is faster in a dive.
You lose.